The Open Forum Episode 50

Episode 50 of 'The Open Forum' where Christians, Atheists are invited to join the discussion. Guests will be invited on a first come first serve basis. Please note we can only have a maximum of 10 panelists (including efdawah panelists) at any one time.
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:57 - EF Dawah Panel join: Chinwag
03:09 - Completing 50 episodes of the Open Forum
04:31 - Review of DawahWise's Qadiani streams
06:59 - Format of the Stream & Inviting Guests
08:24 - Newly Discovered Fragments of the Bible
34:45 - Tim (Revert) joins
36:49 - Does the Qur'an confirm the Bible/Torah?
50:36 - Non-Preservation of the Bible
52:38 - Previous scriptures' corruption as per Qur'an
1:01:58 - Corruption of the Bible
1:21:59 - Issues with the christian theology/narrative
1:28:15 - Analysis of the meaning of John 8:58
1:48:27 - Satan being this world's god as per bible
1:51:20 - Problems with the Christian Arguments
1:59:03 - Prima (Christian) joins
2:02:06 - Claims regarding the Divinity of Jesus
2:04:42 - Refutation of Prima's claims
3:41:07 - Robin (Arian Christian) joins
3:42:18 - Robin's claims about the Crucifixion
3:43:24 - Issues with Robin's Crucifixion claims
3:44:41 - More claims about the Crucifixion
3:47:30 - Problems with the Crucifixion narrative
4:11:00 - Review of the Stream
4:05:42 - Closing Remarks
4:09:12 - Message to the Viewers
4:10:36 - Wrapping Up

​ @EFDawah Salam Alaikum. Sorry to say You always use philosophical arguments and Bible more than using Quran and Sunnah to answer misconceptions about Islam.
@36:49 Quran (3:3-4) The answer is in the verse itself. Allah is talking about the Torah and the Gospel Ineel in past tense the Books that has been revealed to Moses and Jesus during there times but not the Books in your hands today. Allah never spoke about the Torah and Injeel in the Holy Quran in the present and future which prove it is not what you call Old testament and New testament. Those verses are evidence that you corrupted the Torah and the Injeel Gospel. If Christian believe that The Quran confirm the Bible and the Tanakh why don't they accept Islam ?
@45:15 I'm sorry to say that Brother Ijaz doesn't have enough knowledge about Islam to refute misconceptions and he need to improve his knowledge. Brother Ijaz was mistaken when he said that Allah Revealed the Torah and Injeel to Isa Jesus ?
Quran 5:46 Then in the footsteps of the prophets, We sent Jesus, son of Mary, (confirming the Torah revealed before him.) And We gave him the Gospel containing guidance and light and confirming what was revealed in the Torah—a guide and a lesson to the God-fearing.
@51:40 The claim the Quran said Allah words can't be changed? You can read this in the Quran 6:34 & 6:115 & 18:27 . You need to read the context. Allah was talking about the Holy Quran only that no one can change the words of Allah in the Holy Quran. Allah was not talking about the Injeel and Torah .
@52:30 where does it say in the Holy Quran the previous scriptures been corrupted ?
Read Quran (2:41) (2:75) (2:79) (2:147) (3:78) (3:3-4) (4:46) (4:46-47) (5:13) (5:44) (5:46) (5:47) (5:68) (10:49) (18:27) (29:46) .

[asadullahsaaid]

*Timestamps:*
00:00 - Intro
00:57 - EF Dawah Panel join: Chinwag
03:09 - Completing 50 episodes of the Open Forum
04:31 - Review of DawahWise's Qadiani streams
06:59 - Format of the Stream & Inviting Guests
08:24 - Newly Discovered Fragments of the Bible
34:45 - *Tim (Revert) joins*
36:49 - Does the Qur'an confirm the Bible/Torah?
50:36 - Non-Preservation of the Bible
52:38 - Previous scriptures' corruption as per Qur'an
1:01:58 - Corruption of the Bible
1:21:59 - Issues with the christian theology/narrative
1:28:15 - Analysis of the meaning of John 8:58
1:48:27 - Satan being this world's god as per bible
1:51:20 - Problems with the Christian Arguments
1:59:03 - *Prima (Christian) joins*
2:02:06 - Claims regarding the Divinity of Jesus
2:04:42 - Refutation of Prima's claims
3:41:07 - *Robin (Arian Christian) joins*
3:42:18 - Robin's claims about the Crucifixion
3:43:24 - Issues with Robin's Crucifixion claims
3:44:41 - More claims about the Crucifixion
3:47:30 - Problems with the Crucifixion narrative
4:11:00 - Review of the Stream
4:05:42 - Closing Remarks
4:09:12 - Message to the Viewers
4:10:36 - Wrapping Up

[leonidasanaxandridas]

Prima Scriptura - Absolutely Shameless.

[nargis]

Dr Imran well said on holding the same standard when evaluating numerical contradictions

[mia-mxxd]

Timestamps on video taken the open forum to the next level alhamdulila

[aharawrawat]

I enjoyed watching this stream ...well done brothers...Allah reward yourll

[MansMan]

Prima Scriptura is such an embarrassment.

[publicpm]

MashaALLAH, Keep spreading the truth brothers, May Almighty reward you all with all the best here and in the world after, Ameen

[DammaDry]

Pope Twadros (pope of alexanderia/orthodox) has a book published in 2021, and he said that the first verses of gospel of john were added later and were not among the original writing of the author of john.
Just to support nazam’s talk in 1:13:00

[TheTruthSeekerMe]

May Allah preserve you all and your family members ameen

[oumarsakho]

Lâ Hawla wa lâ Quwwata illâ billâhi'l aliyul Aziim. Assalaamualaykum (peace be upon you). Alhamdulillâhi Rabbil âlamiin. Allâhumma Salli alâ Seyyidinâ Mawlâna Muhammadin Wa Sallim. Thank you for sharing this with us. May ALLÂH (AWJ) Protect and Reward You (Brothers & Sisters in Dâwah) ! May ALLÂH SWT Make it easy for all, and Protect, Bless, Help, Guide us and Grant all of us Jannah. Ameen Ameen Ameen Ameen Ameen Ameen

[fadwajansenmoufti]

MashAllah Chat. I pray that brother Tim gets guided to Islam. His quest is genuine it appears to me inshAllah Ameen

[rogdarorfod]

Thanks for the stream, but I must mention that brother Imran pronounced ابن إسحاق as Ibn Ishaq, as though sh is one sound, but it should be 2 separate sounds: s and h, first s, then h. In short, it is not English digraph sh.

[anishulislam]

First time I have seen Dr imran laughing so hard . The time that Robin came in .

[allanwilliams]

Dr Imran, someone's ethnicity is not what matters, but your lineage proves where you are connected.

God does not worry about race.

@1:05:50 @1:11:25 John 1:1
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Joh 1:1 & Gen 1:1 both said in the beginning question which was in the beginning the word or created the Heaven and Earth ? ( we have CONTRADICTION )
Gen 1:3 God created the light by his WORD COMMAND LET BE and IT WAS like in the Quran.
God said in Gen 1:1 in the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth by giving his WORD COMMAND LET BE and IT WAS exactly like he created the light in Gen 1:3 by giving his WORD COMMAND LET BE and IT WAS. So in Joh 1:1 in the beginning was the WORD COMMAND of God which means his COMMAND because the first thing he created by his WORD COMMAND was the Heaven and Earth . The meaning of the WORD according to the above verses is God's COMMAND LET BE AND IT WAS .
In the beginning was the word question for you in the beginning of what was the word ? if you say in the beginning of the creation that means the word is creation that created in beginning of all creations . In the beginning was the word . if The word is equal to God and the word has beginning that means the word has an end because every beginning has an End and God is Eternal has no beginning and no End ?
In the beginning doesn’t mean eternity because eternity in Greek means : Khronos-chronos G5550 eternal forever everlasting Rom 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: Ahee-o-nee-os G116 times eternal Tit 1:2 in hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised before times eternal; in the beginning was the word why the Word start with capital W ? Is there Capital in Greek ?
John1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Christian disagree on this verse and have textual differences textual variant for this verse and translate Tonthios the word with small letter word not capital Word why ?
VOICE John1:1 Before time itself was measured, the Voice was speaking. The Voice was and is God.
WYC John1:1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was at God, and God was the word. [In the beginning was the word, that is, God's Son, and the word was at God, and God was the word.]
NMB John1:1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.
Bishops' Bible of 1568 John1:1 In the begynnyng was the worde, & the worde was with God: and that worde was God.
Coverdale Bible of 1535 John1:1 In the begynnynge was the worde, and the worde was with God, and God was ye worde.
Tyndale Bible of 1526 John1:1 In the beginnynge was the worde and the worde was with God: and the worde was God.
In the early original manuscript of the Bible you read in the beginning was the word and the word was with God (God here in Greek and Aramaic means Hothios The God ) and the word was with god small letter (god here means in Greek Tonthios that means agod godly person) so the verses should be in the beginnin was the word and the word was with God and the word was god which means and the word was with godly person Tonthios the messenger of GOD Jesus.

[allanwilliams]

Dr Imran, are you saying that because we are all equal, as children of Adam, that we should all be served our food, at the same time, for it to be considered that we are given fair treatment??

[hemisphere]

Tim, let it go bro, you know its bs, let it go, submit wholeheartedly.

[leonidasanaxandridas]

If you look up the word Robin in the dictionary, next to it you’ll find “deluded” as the definition.

[GutzOverFear]

The intro is by Ilyas Mao. For anyone who is curious.