Xbox Series XS SSD Storage 'Problem'

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Xbox Series X SSD Storage "Problem"
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I saw a 2tb Gen 4 NVME SSD on sale for £200 yesterday, a 2tb Xbox Expansion Card has never gone below £300 (on sale) in the UK. The expansion card was an anti consumer move.

Jamil__Ahmed
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I told people this, when they were making fun of having to open up the PS5 to put to install the SSD. The PS5 solution was always gonna be the best consumer friendly option.

gta
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Im using a 3TB HDD and i just swap games over. I paid $70 for it. Aint no way im paying $200 for one TB!! Forget that!

paulibabba
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The 2tb SN850x was £170 last month, works perfectly in PS5. 2x the storage at 3x the speed for less than the price of Microsoft's proprietary solution.

faustianblur
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By the end of the year a 2tb SSD for PS5 will most probably be under £150 they're dropping fast in price

kingScotto..
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The problem is a lack of manufactures to offer cheaper options. It's not a permanent issue and can be solved over the life of the console. I'd be lying if I didn't say I loved the ease and convenience of inserting an expansion card, but the problem is the limited quantity because it's such a specialized product.

vullord
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Just checked Best Buy and you can buy a 2tb internal storage for the ps5. A 1 tb option for the series x is 200.00. Xbox needs to open up other options. I’m gonna wait until they do before I buy more storage.

dadlife
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How long has Seagate got this exclusive deal?

tallblondegooner
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You can get a 2tb SSD for PS5 for under £200 now 😉

kingScotto..
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It’s pricey while the PS5 SSD is cheaper because of the market. The SeriesX expansion is more convenient to just plug it in the back of the console without needing to take anything apart.

carolinagamer
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Madz ...proprietary storage is always more expensive than 3rd party storage. We had this argument when they were announced. Official peripherals never drop in price. Look at controllers. The Sony Vita storage cards were proprietary and very expensive. Sony chose a 3rd party solution for PS5 to cut the price for consumers. It's not as easy as buying official additional storage, but adds versatility in price and design. 3rd party lowers the price and raises the storage size in order to compete. Proprietary storage just remains static at a fixed price and size.

The PS5 SSD IO is truly next gen. Take this example and see how PS5 and XBSX/PC handle it. A game requires a tree that the player should see around the next corner. The GPU requires the tree. Now let's see what each platform does.

XBSX + PC (MVMe 2.0 = 2.56GBps):
1 - the CPU locates the tree on the SSD and transfers the compressed data from SSD and writes it into RAM at 2.56GBps.
2 - the CPU or GPU reads and decompresses the data, then writes it back to RAM, but it is now twice the size so takes 2x longer.
3 - the tree is now ready for the GPU to transfer to its video RAM ready to render the next frame.

PS5 (MVMe 4.0 = 5.5GBps):
1 - custom IO chips locate the tree on the SSD, then decompress the data on the fly as it transfers the tree directly into GPU video RAM at 5.5GBps ready to render the next frame.

Job done. PS5 is a beast at steaming real time data ready for processing. No bottlenecks. The data just flows automatically like water out of a tap. Not only is the PS5 transfer rate 2x faster, but it only transfers once. IO transfers and decompression use custom chips, so the CPU/GPU are not required to stop what they are doing. You can see the potential here as games get more complicated and require vast amounts of asset streaming such as UE5. No wonder devs find the PS5 easier to use. It all happens automatically on the fly. None of the game code that is required to perform those 3 steps on XBSX/PC. Depending on the type of data, the PS5 IO can transfer the SSD data to system RAM or direct to GPU video RAM.

itsjusterthought
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Microsoft could eventually come up with an adapter for their external SSD that allows other companies besides Seagate to support the console.

kytim
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So the biggest issue that's stopping the SSD cards from going down in price is the form factor. The Nvme SSDs you put into a PS5 (Form Factor 2280) are much longer and have their storage spread out throughout the circuit board those have become stanard and because of that have decreased in price. Compared to the 2230 which is less than half the size of the the 2280 that the PS5 and Desktop PCs use. Because the 2230 is half the size but needs to have as much data in less chips on the circuit board that increases the quality needed of each chip and thus the price is more expensive. Look up a 1TB Nvme 2230 on Amazon right now and it's $159 considering Seagate is selling the 1TB Storage Expansion Card for $199 isn't a huge markup. That being said all of this is Microsoft's decision coming back to bite them because the form factor they chose isn't going down in price fast enough.

LuciusAugustusRex
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Funny thing about this is I got a 1tb firecuda with a sabrent heat sink for about £160 for my ps5 and its also made by seagate ( the ssd) and that was over a year ago and this was the problem then! I also thought that there was a different ( cheaper) 3rd party option on the horizon!

fensolo
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Xbox claimed more manufacturers would join in but haven't so I blame Xbox on this.

YouTubeCensors
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Been using a 2 tb hard drive. I've had no problem moving games back n forth

whoshotya
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While I agree, buying regular 2TB external SSDs for my Series X and that works for me. The speed in which games can be transferred between two SSDs is ridiculous. Real beneficial to me to have this option.

BrotherKnowledge.
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Not to make any excuses for pricing but there is an ease of use and portability of these units. I could literally take my games with me to use on any Series console I sign in to. However, cost per GB is still higher than normal even when taking that into account. I do wish they’d make an adapter with a USB C port so that we could our own (approved) NVME drives via external adapters.

Yes, it’s also a shortcoming that they didn’t supply a USB C port. I don’t know if the current form factor (at least for XSX) would have allowed user upgradable drives. Perhaps a future set top box style would allow it.

originalfate
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I want to get the 1tb card But its just so ridicilously expensive for some storage

adk
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What do you think of all these ps5 slim and other ps5 update rumors. I seen a couple of videos about them.

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