Response to John Stossel Electric Cars: Inconvenient Facts, Part 2

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California makes too much power
Electric grid can handle EVs easily
Fully Charged video about Electricity used in refining
Elon Musk says we have plenty of electricity if we just reduce oil refinery use
My calculation on refinery electricity use
Extracting oil uses a large amount of electricity

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[ApteraOwnersClub]

I stand corrected! Heat pumps are usually more efficient than fossil fuels for heating. I was just thinking about resistive heating for some reason and didn't even think about heat pumps!

[universeisundernoobligatio]

Live in Canada, put in a ground source heat pump. Went from $3000 propane to $350 electricity.

[danmccoy]

I have one of the biggest batteries there is for heating and cooling my house as well as domestic hot water. I have installed geothermal heating and cooling myself. The ground is my battery. Zero production emissions for my battery. It will never need replacing. And is constantly being recharged by the sun. I installed everything except the loops. I had a company that does nothing but install loops, do it. Loops installed filled and hooked up $5000.
Total cost for me installing it myself. $23, 000. Including the loops. All 3400sqft. Infloor heat. Chilled water fan coils for cooling. I had estimates from $24, 000-$36, 000 to have conventional heating and cooling installed. I also have 10, 080 watts of solar on my roof. Aptera will make it 10, 780 watts. My house is 100% electric. I have had zero utility bills. Since having the solar installed 4 years ago. And I still don't have a backup battery for my house. To have 40k battery installed $79, 000. Solid state battery. Still not in production.

Enter aptera. I will have 66k battery enough to run my entire house for 4 days. Without any solar. For $38, 000. And will have a car I can drive to work and back for free. 23 miles round trip. And I can drive it to my sister's in Golden. Stopping once to charge and have lunch. Then drive it up into the mountains to camp. Having more charge in the car to leave than when I got there. For free.
Oh yah. I drive a forklift for a living. And live in Wisconsin. -20f in the winter at times. I keep my house as warm in the winter. And as cold in the summer as I want.
Zero bills. All electric. No battery yet. 4 years running.

[HelmutBemboka]

Been living off-grid, with 0 use of fossil fuels for domestic purposes for the last 13 years. All my heating (water and house) is done using heat pumps with a coefficient of performance of about 6. It can be done (and I don't cut back on my living standard in any way)! My only use of fossil fuels is for transportation, which is why I'm so keen to get my aptera!!

[WhiteZombie]

To point #4: energy density means little if we don't consider the energy medium's conversion efficiency (gas vs battery).

[wineberryred]

I am suggesting replacing heating oil with electricity to run heat pumps over the next few decades but we do not need enough storage to replace all the heating oil to run them given that we will be relying on solar and wind to run the heat pumps. We only need as much storage to use at night after charging them up during the day.

[matteoricci]

Several EU states have incentive to replace oil heater with heat pumps

[matteoricci]

The real counter about the price of battery is that depending on the use case you can use different technology like water reservoir, to store energy and use lithium only on mobile devices

[apterachallenge]

Aptera is able to leverage its efficiency based on its light weight and aerodynamic shape to drive 1000 miles on a charge. What people don't realise is that 500 pounds of batteries in the Aptera are not just replacing 80 pounds of gasoline, they also replace hundreds of pounds that are made up by the engine, transmission, radiator, fuel tank and exhaust system, and a heavy steel body. By using relatively lightweight in-wheel motors and skin cooling in a carbon fibre body, Aptera will have way more range than the average gas car. My Toyota Yaris weighs MORE than a 600 mile Aptera, but only gets about 330 miles of range from a tank of gas, and also has less space in the trunk.

[Gypsy]

As soon as I heard this video is for those who like facts I gave it a thumbs up. The Oil companies are still paying millions to Trolls who attempt to slam EV's and facts just don't matter to them.

[jordanyamamoto]

I think evs will actually help flatten (what is desirable) the duck curve as pricing drives behavior. My electricity is most expensive 48¢ 4-9pm, 38¢ at 9pm-8am, and 32¢ 8am-4pm. Guess when I do all my charging?

[Dularr]

The fantasy part is EV will replace ICE cars. Not the EV will grab a segment of the auto market. The key word was "replace."

[Thoughmuchistaken]

9:50 Ahhh heat pumps? We are absolutely in the process of replacing less efficient fossil fuel heating with electric heat pumps. I'm in Canada and my old oil furnace will be replaced this coming year with an air source heat pump with supplemented resistive electric heating. Insulate Britain is all about the need to move away from fossil fuel heating and to do that properly insulated housing is key. Something like half of Norway is heated via heat pumps.

[kylerobinson]

According to a discussion I heard, including Sandy Monroe, there are several battery recycle companies that can’t get enough used batteries to recycle😂

[-PM]

heat pumps are great at moving temps around, geothermal heat pumps can make very effective heat in the really cold winters, ambient heat pumps work well for many locations but if temps drop really low resistive heat is used to compensate.

[BillLeavens]

Rah rah nuclear! The sooner we transition away from fossil fuel electrical energy generation, the sooner we will be able to address greenhouse gas emissions. The only thing in the way is politics and the public will that determines political will.

[zygi]

It all comes down to government forcing the solar, wind and evs down our throats. That’s the main problem. Let the market decide instead of some bureaucrats.

[JEP-Tech]

As a side note. I would never want to use my EV to give power back to the grid. The more charge cycles your battery goes through the quicker the degradation. You will be decreasing the life of your car battery just to make a few cents each day (assuming utility companies will even pay you for returning power). California doesn't have enough battery packs to support the excess power they generate during the day, that's the issue with relying so much on solar. As mining and battery manufacturing ramps up PG&E will need to invest more in battery storage.I agree with you, as more EVs are on the road, older battery packs can be repurposed for grid storage, whereas right now EVs and grid battery packs are competing for the same resources. Alternatively, fly wheels and pumped storage hydropower systems can also be used to store excess power generated during the day by renewables and then recovered during the night to meet peak demand. With that said, none of these systems are cheap and add to the total cost of generating electricity. Which is one reason why electricity rates are usually cheaper in states that rely more on fossil fuels, nuclear, and hydro power because the power they generate at their plants is more easily controlled to match the change in demand throughout the day.

[morrisdocking]

As you have noted, heat pumps are more efficient than using fossil fuel, but the issue is that an ICE vehicle is heated with waste heat from the engine, so it is free, vs. using battery to heat an EV.

The issue with energy storage, is that we only need a day or two of storage, not enough for all winter. So Stossels equivalency is not reasonable.

I am always tickled by how people never consider how much energy is required to refine oil into gasoline.

New batteries with active cooling do last decent. But for instance, my 5 year old leaf is already degraded to 70% after only 35, 000 miles. It has never been super-charged, only level 2. It is currently in the shop waiting to have the battery replaced.

Final point, I would not build any more nuclear fission electrical plants. Nuclear Fusion plants are too close to being practical. Fusion solves almost all the negative factors that nuclear brings to the table. I'll let you look it up and only provide this short summary. There are a couple of new designs that can be used on a much smaller scale that are being developed for both commercial and military use. One such design is so small that it could be put in a fighter jet and produce enough energy that the fighter could actually have some sort of energy weapons capability. We are talking long before the 2060 time frame that you are talking about.

[pgiatrakis]

I own a plug-in Prius I own a Nissan leaf and now I have a Tesla model Y,
And I agree with every single word of this video.
My answer is and always was plug-in hybrids & EVs & diesel when applicable. Sadly plug-in hybrid to get contempt from both sides. The tribalism is insane.
I ordered my Aptera months ago and can’t wait to get it.
I am very pleased to see that the points made in this video are ones that I’ve never heard on any other video or channel.
There are times when fossil fuels are needed there are times when nuclear is needed and there are times when electric is needed because it’s all about the application and it’s efficiency.
This was absolutely the best video about the EV industry and the oil industry I’ve ever seen. This is after spending thousands of hours every year for the last 10 years researching renewable energy and alternative energy sources.
Great job
Wonderful channel
Outstanding research
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