Do THIS Before You CRITIQUE Someone's Position | Leighton Flowers | Calvinism | Soteriology 101

Dr. Leighton Flowers answers a listener-submitted question that critiques a straw man of Provisionism.

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[rickward]

We ALL should listen to understand and listen to respond! I’m not ALWAYS successful, but I try. I’m not a Calvinist, Arminian, or ANY other “group” but a CHRISTIAN. I follow Christ and do affirm, however, ALL of these folks are providing commentary that I am responsible to validate based on Scripture. Blessings to you and your ministries Dr Flowers.

[donhaddix]

over my 73 years I learned to listen and think, making my thinking clearer and firmer. not what I want to believe, what I have to believe. thus I am non denominational, non Calvinist, non Arminian. just a conservative literal bible only believer.

[jay]

Dude called up, stumbled through his critique, and really thought he did something. I love it lol.

[misterdrummings]

THANK YOU for making shorter videos! I appreciate the long ones but don't always have time to watch the whole thing. It's a blessing to be able to watch and learn in smaller bites sometimes. 👍

[tims]

Thank you Dr. Flowers for demonstrating dialogue with love and respect.

I like to remember Predestination as
Gd predestined the plan,
Not the man

[Rich.Staples]

Dr, Flowers your teaching against Calvinism recently rescued my faith journey. I can now plainly see that God electing some to go to heaven is essentially electing the majority of humanity to go to Hell. I recognize (and have always recognized) God's loving nature but until you made this particular point about election clear to me i hadn't recognized the way Calvinism makes out God to be unloving.

One thing I would very much appreciate is an in-depth teaching on what is meant by the phrase "the power of the Gospel." It is a theme i have seen you bring up both in your debates (with Dr. White and others) and in some of the programs you have done on this channel. The issue i'm having with understanding this is whether this power of the Gospel is in force only when God presents the Gospel to our hearts or if it is also in force when other human beings present it to us(whether in person or online). And if when it is presented to us by other people to what degree does that power remain in full force when the teaching of the Gospel is inaccurately taught?

I truly wish to understand this topic. I am grateful for your defending Christian orthodox theology under the term Provisionism. For a very long time i have felt we needed some way of defending the plain testimony of the Bible regarding God's way of Loving us unto Salvation. The only reason i had been investigating Calvinism was i couldn't find a more systematic way to defend the gospel. Finding you through your debates and interactions with James White has been like God throwing me a life line to refresh the understanding He had been desperately trying to keep me rooted in. I know you are a very busy person. And if you briefly read through this message I want you to know i appreciate your God given time and talents you use to uphold the authentic Gospel.

[CynVee]

Hey Dr. Flowers, saw you in yesterday's chat of Warren vs Rogue Calvinist. You made excellent points backing it up with Scripture. That three hrs was painful to listen to but Warren was extremely kind and gracious throughout though he was constantly being interrupted. I think Warren is trying to beat your marathon vids 😂

[mikelyons]

Exactly. If you are not a Believer, you are NOT Predestined to the blessings listed in Ephesians 1 (Accepted in the Beloved. Redemption through His blood. Forgiveness of sins. Gathered together. Obtained an Inheritance). It's only for you AFTER you trusted (1:13). Before, they (the saints, the faithful in Christ Jesus at Ephesus) were lost & not predestined to any of those blessings (see 2:11-13)

[karlcarlson]

Simple, , , , it's a Cult. Done.

[lindavalentine]

OK, so I haven't listened to this yet, and I'm sure it will be good cause it's Leighton, but I just love, love, love the strawman/scarecrow guy!!😆

[Veretax]

Yeah all of us Christians struggle with us at times because we want to believe everything is as simple as we think it is and it's often not

[colmortimer]

I believe if you are going to for or against something you must learn all about it, I often learn more about things I disagree with. As far as Calvinism I listen to a lot of Calvinist, pastors mostly. A lot of them I agree with I just think they are not listening to themselves. Like they will say you must be chosen or you will never believe, and then in the same sermon point to bible vs that say you must do the work to repent and believe in Chirst. Calvinists are like 90% right, but there is no need to preach, learn about Christ, read the bible, nor do anything if you were chosen from the beginning of time to have faith in God.

Personally, I worked really hard to find, and trust God, I had many opportunities to make the choice to turn away, or turn towards the Lord. When I was younger I often made the wrong choices, now I make mostly the right ones. Often the wrong choices are fun, exciting, and lead to short term enjoyment, but I choose the long term enjoyment. Saying God decided it all, really takes out any personal responsibility for your actions. I will give Calvinists that I could not do it totally alone, but I had to choose God before he started guiding me, then I had to chose to listen to his guidance and not my own.

[Deakon]

The Scripture and the good news can be understood by a child. If you need to use a lot of theological terms to explain your doctrine, you are in troubles.

[jay]

Leighton: consider taking a look at 1 Cor 1:30 at some point? Would like to see your discussion on this

[jeffreybomba]

Wait a minute! A historical Calvinist interpretation of Romans 8 is the Greek work for FOREKNOWLEDGE means the same as PREDESTINATION.

[Dropaprayer]

It's pronounced "presh-ence" not - pre-science."

😊

[JohnQPublic]

Yes Dr. Flowers you nailed it, in a nutshell, 99% of all people who claim to be Calvinists don't have the foggiest clue what the doctrines of Reformed Theology teach.

[HogMask]

I don't understand how God could have created everything without determining every event and human decion.

I understand that foreknowledge doesn't equal causation. But He has foreknowledge and is also the creator.

It's like lining up dominos to fall over into an elaborate pattern. You won't be surprised by the result. You planned it out, you knew how the end result would look.

I like the idea that I have agency but it's hard to believe I do when faced with a God that knows all.

[kfvjwev]

There are too many heresies for anyone to keep track of.
All I know is anyone who identifies as a Calvinist, Lutheran, Catholic, or whatever is deviating from what Jesus instructed his disciples.

[gumshoestudiospresents]

Since we’re on the subject of straw men, wouldn’t it be a fair assessment to say that the recent documentary put out by Dr. Michael Brown and others, Once Saved, Always Saved, is at worst, a straw man of the Calvinist position of Eternal Security?