2013-2023 Ram 2500 & 3500 Cummins EPA emissions recall & updates latest information DEF MPG impact?

Lets keep our fingers crossed that this doesn't have a big impact on fuel mileage, DEF consumption, performance or reliability impacts on the Cummins 6.7l

Some information below that was listed in the video

[bayonne]

My bone stock 2017 2500 cummins gets a consistent 18 mpg (hand calculated) and sips DEF ! 
The MPG indicator on the truck says 18.9 MPG
I want to hear from cummins Owners about their experiences After the 67A Recall.
- Them I will believe - Not Cummins, Ram Dealers, or EPA No Way.
Also - I would like to Thank You for all your update Videos on this matter. Subscribed.

[AirRyanTX]

This lawsuit is really intended to go after all the guys who have deleted EGR and DPF, knowing that most won't spend the high price to have those items reinstalled. Not to mention the fact that there was a reason why they removed in the first place. But John Kerry can fly around the world in his wife's Gulfstream IV with no particulate filters and preach down to us in how all of we 6.7 Cummins owners are polluting the world. Interesting thing on my 23 Ram 2500 Rebel 6.7, the original window sticker is stamped with a B for both CHG and Smog, but on the PDF copy that was available online, it says C+ for CHG and actually a B+ for smog.

The problem is that the EPA is making up metrics with little to no input from auto/engine manufacturers. In other words, they are pulling the Tier standards out of their ass not even knowing if those standards can be met. But to them, it doesn't matter. If they really cared about NOx levels they wouldn't be mandating biodiesel content at the pumps because biodiesel results in higher NOx levels. Instead, they would be trying figure out how to get every diesel pump full of Renewable diesel. Then, coupled with the massive wide open Southern border where this Administration has allowed 10+ million illegals to come in to our already overcrowded schools, hospitals, and roads - they obviously don't give AF about the smog in Southern California now do they?

I wouldn't take any new tune from Ram on my MY23 6.7 because I don't want it to consume any more DEF than it already is. I bought my truck just a few months ago before all this crap came out, crap that obviously Cummins and the DOJ were aware of. I've already incurred a perceived loss of value and to some people, a truck that they wouldn't even want to touch. I don't want Ram to buy my truck back but I'm looking for massive compensation. Been there and done that with VW; they bought back a pristine loaded Touareg TDI that was still cleaner than most other vehicles on the road. This is politics, not science.

[eddunnigan]

I have 2 Ram 2500's. A 2013 w/ 130K miles and a 2022 w/ 8K miles. Both are 6.7 Cummins. I'm the original owner of both. On the Hwy w/ cruise set @ 75mph my 2013 averages 20.5 mpg and my 2022 got 22.0 mpg on a 3000 mile road trip. The 2022 does seem to consume quite a bit more DEF however. I'm pleased with my mileage.

[geoffreyschlesman]

Hey. I have a 2020 2500 cummins. I had the cp4 replaced at 18000. And my fuel mileage got way less per miles. And I definitely use more def. Towing my 14000.00 fithwheel I'm about 10mpg. Before I was 11.5 to 12 mpg.

[theantiqueactionfigure]

MY TRUCK WILL NOT PASS SMOG AFTER THE RECALL!!!! 2018 Ram 2500 Cummins failed a California emissions test Ram completed the recall. I walked back into the dealer and they refused to even take it in. Add this to my failed 68rfe and the failed nav system. A truck is about as useless as a wheel barrow in CA without a smog cert. Opened up a complaint with Stellantis. They suggested I drive my truck to the next town over and give that dealer try. Terrible ownership experience. 54, xxx very easy, well maintained miles, pitifully.

[steveboyd]

I'm keeping my 2017 3500 Longhorn Laramie. It's out of warranty, so it's not going in for the Recall . Runs great.

[kenle]

I have 2 Ram 2500's; a 16 BigHorn w/50K miles and a 21 Rodeo w/19K miles (both crew-cabs and both 6.7L Cummins). I drive 190 miles/week (95% hwy) and with cruise set to 65mph my 16 avg's 20.7mpg and the 21 is 22.4mpg (based on 5K miles) - respectable. In my 06 4th Gen (Laramie Sport) Dually 3500, I avg'd 23mpg before selling it. However, with DEF, it's definitely more expensive. I live in freaked-out CA, so future programming and recalls issues could change that mileage. I'll be watching for additional suits and recall info.

[gsc]

Compound turbos would rectify the situation as well as well as tuning the fuel injection system to wait until boost was already built before it sprays in extra fuel. You can get a diesel to run clean. With the added benefit of not overheating cylinders 5 and 6, so you don't have to worry about EGTs because you're pushing so much air

[randymiller]

I have a 2019 Ram 2500 Cummins and had the CP3 recall done and I noticed that my fuel economy has gone down and DEF usage has gone up. I do run a legal tune on my truck with all emissions in operation, and before it made a huge difference in fuel economy now not so much, and yes I did go back and get the right tunes for the CP3 pump. Everything worked better before the recall was done so I kinda wonder the same thing, was something done to the tune for emission.

[johnchapman]

I have a 2016 Ram 6.7 Cummins. Not towing I average 22 mpg.... have seen it as high as 25. I don't idle my truck unless it is warm up when the weather is in the 30s or lower.

[markyoung]

What about the lifter problems with the 2019?

[DavidBrown-jtyi]

I've driven 9, 800 miles with my 2021 HO over the last 6 months and I think I've filled the def tank 3 times. I pull a travel trailer and a dump trailer.. My trunk has never been to a dealer in the 30k miles I've had it and it won't be going to a dealer any time soon. I don't live in an emission state and I still have it stock. I do run HotShot Secrets EDT on every fill up and have since the second tank of fuel in the truck. If someone flashed your truck without your knowledge, that would be a breaking point for me. Good luck.

[jamesellsworth]

Yeah, I just got my recall notice for my Dually.

[noneya]

Going through these comments, you guys got me wondering and worried…
I have a 20 18, 2500 Cummins I bought used with 82, 000 miles on it in July of ‘22. I’ve never gotten better than an average of 13mpg or so. Frequently lower. I rarely have to add DEF, maybe once every few thousand miles one box.
So will mine get worse if the recall is done??? I took it in yesterday for Service to replace the brake sensor which was tripping and killing my use of cruise control. Told by the service department it was a big deal for a lot of people but not to the level of a recall yet. I was emphatic about them not doing the emissions recall and they said that they won’t if I said don’t. So….

[kenwarner]

Reply to your last post update: My understanding is the 2019's PCM's were flashed for emission upgrade calibration per the VB6 emission recall in 2020. This occurred after Cummins had to do a review on the 2019 trucks emissions after their claims they get 1, 000' lb torque with over 400HP. Now we are in the 67A recall for the same PCM flash emissions calibration upgrade for 2013-2018 trucks. Then they will send recall notices for the same to be done on the 2020-2023 with date unknown for now. It's likely your 2019 already had the PCM emissions updated calibration done.

[billsnipes]

What if your truck is deleted? I have a 2017 deleted. Average 17 mpg in town and 22mpg on the highway.

[chrisrossman]

I kind of think this is to back the guys who deleted their trucks in a corner. A few states already stated that they will not register these trucks until the update has been done which is probably nothing really at all but an inspection on the dealers part.

[kencraig]

my 2019 was getting 20 mpg before its first emission's recall. it dropped to about 15 and after the cp3 recall it stayed at about 15. i haven't pulled my 10k toy hauler yet but it only gets 9 mpg and def is about same

[jonathanmatthews]

The mileage difference is nost likely from gear ratio difference between 2014 and 2019 trucks. Almost all 2500 in 2014 and 2015 had 3.42 gears. The later 2500 trucks almost all have 3.73 gears.

[sgs]

Holy Macaroni Batman! I am not having the recall update.
2018 3500 SRW and I get around 4000 miles on a tank of DEF. No towing just daily commuting.
My diesel range is about 16 city / 18 highway. I bought it new (had it ordered) and only 36K on the truck.
My last truck (2004) the mileage actually increased when I hit about 75K miles.