ROMANS 9:13 In Its TRUE CONTEXT

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Dr. Leighton Flowers dissects Romans 9 (specifically verse 13) to show the true context and how it does not, in fact, teach Calvinism.

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Dr. Flowers, glory to God, I have grown spiritually by leaps and bounds since finding this channel. Thank you for all that you are doing. Heavenly Father, please continue to bless Leighton and his family. Keep them from the evil one and let their faith remain strong and not fail. May he remain focused, steadfast, and humbled in his calling. Help him where he is weak and encourage him whenever doubt arises. May he always know that he is being used to be a tremendous blessing to many and that a great reward awaits him in heaven. In Jesus name, amen. Blessings and love to you my brother in Christ.

onedayatatime
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Love this format! Please do more of these fairly short, outlined systematic arguments for us simple-minded calvinists to easily follow :p. I can't sit through the 3 hour interviews but would love more concise presentations like this.

jeremywolffbrandt
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Nice! This is a very useful format of video. This is something I could see myself linking to someone and reasonably expect them to possibly watch it. Great work!

LawlessNate
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Shalom and Blessings of Messiah יהושע Saviour of the World by Explaining and Destroying the Satanic Cult of Calvinism Amĕn Maranatha 🙏❤️

jkay
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Amen brother! God bless you and your ministry! To God be all the Glory!

yolandasoro
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What I most appreciate about teachers like Flowers and Mike Winger is an invitation to THINK more broadly and deeply on scripture.
When our firsthand knowledge of scripture is small, we are not going to see the contradictions of our preachers; we will not notice the cognitive disodence; or the claims that have no scripture support.
Discovering God's truth requires a desire for truth, time and effort of study, eyesand ears wide open....and the humility to admit we have made a mistake.

SheilaSmith-zg
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Excellent analysis. Thank you. This makes perfect sense in light of the inestimable love of God and His perfect attributes.

CynVee
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Shalom and Blessings of Messiah יהושע Saviour of the World Save us from the Satanic Cult of Calvinism Amĕn Maranatha 🙏

jkay
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Great study, thank you.
Jesus lives! ♥️ and is Yahweh God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑

JadDragon
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Leighton! Leighton!
I was just thinking of this verse again!
Something I didn't notice before!
The "Love" aspect used in this verse:
The nature of the love used! - Not only is it NOT an election to salvation, but it is a "love" that is consistent with the theme of Scripture and God's character.

God stretches out His hand to a stiff-necked people, Israel always grows hard of heart, Israel continues to go after other gods and God returns them to Himself, Israel continues to resist the Holy Spirit, and on and on.
God continues loving Israel, God CHOSE Israel, but they continue to be reprobate. God is "loving", "electing" a reprobate nation!

But God has CHOSEN....to LOVE Israel - to ELECT them FOR a purpose:
the purpose of bringing about the Messiah who would bring that love to all the other nations, INCLUDING ESAU!

A funny thing to consider as well, the Scripture doesn't say anything about Esau's personal faith.
It's very possible that Esau himself may actually be with the Lord right now and we could see him when the Lord returns. 😂
Now that would be really awkward for Calvinists.

AlexanderosD
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When talking with Calvinists, I often restate their position to them in a way with which they agree, and then summarize by saying "okay, and you feel comfortable saying this to God's face?" 😅

PastorJasonHenrichsen
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Thank you, Dr. Flowers! FYI, the link to The Potter's Promise is broken. I found and ordered it on the Amazon homepage. God bless!

talon
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Dr. Flowers, I pray you'll finally read "Jacob and Esau two nations and the inheritance" and then have me on your show.

contemplate-Matt.G
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Chapter 1 clearly state 3x that God has made Himself clearly known, man understood, man traded that away, man BECAME (not born) useless, so God GAVE THEM OVER to sin, not created them lost in it.

Chap 5 start off with telling that the GRACE WE (the church) NOW STAND IN (eternally secure salvation) comes THRU FAITH.

So just MAYBE when Paul quote 2 Psalms about THE FOOL THAT REJECTS GOD, and says NO NOT ONE, he is referring to those that reject God and not those created for damnation. Every other use of SEEK stands in opposition to Calvinism, so MAYBE there is a pattern Paul was referring to.

jeffreybomba
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15:18 AMEN! It is so fascinating to me how some believers can become convinced to embrace a doctrine which unavoidably brings into question the very character of the God they worship. And which then forces them to defend his nature from the accusations their own doctrine. And this is even to the point that they can no longer be assured of God's true love for them personally. Something which they once readily accepted before becoming Calvinists.
Any doctrine which robs men of the confidence they are truly loved by their creator is, at it's core...
demonic.
Satan cannot prevent a believer from spending eternity in heaven with God. BUT, if he can make them question God's character, his trustworthiness, or his love for them personally, he can effectively spoil the relationship which Jesus gave his life to make possible for men on Earth.
If you doubt the love God has for you is 'genuine' and consider the love you have for him may not be sufficient or intended to last... there is no basis for any relationship.
Satan loves that about Calvinism.

R.L.KRANESCHRADTT
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Awesome exposition of rom9 which is a false proof texts of Calvinism.

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Context never bothers a Calvinist … Augustine and Calvin have already decided what they have to believe!

grannyblinda
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I'll say it simply because, as I can see, you really don't know what Calvinism is about. I will mention two systems that exist. One is called Calvinism and the other Arminianism. Calvinism defends the glory of God. Arminianism protects human dignity. So you can choose what is more important to you, God's glory or human dignity. I wish you the peace of God.
Michael Domes from the Czech Republic

DefenseofFaith
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Quite straight forward
One for honour one for dishonour
However both received blessings in their lives!
Two seeds womans and serpents!

angloaust
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Will you have Steve Lawson on once he recants his god of Calvinism reformed theology ?

truthseeker