ASK AN SDA: BIBLE QUESTIONS BY TOPIC: THE STATE OF THE DEAD (05/13/2023)

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Welcome to Ask An SDA: Bible Questions by Topic. Today's topic: The State of the Dead. You are welcomed to post your comments in the chat section now in anticipation of the program.

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Chapters
0:00 - Intro

6:01 - Video from Myles, EJ, and CMB

12:34 - Presentation in response to the video

13:51 - Context of 2 Corinthians 5;8 (Absent from the body and present with the Lord) - Response to Myles

45:12 - Philippians 1;23 - Response to EJ

48:55 - 2 Corinthians 12;1-4 (Paul in the Third Heaven) - Response to EJ

53:38 - Does Ecclesiastes 9;5 only refer to what happens in earth and not heaven? - Response to EJ

1:08:00 - Final thoughts on video

1:15:58 - Are their dead souls in heaven?

1:36:37 - What does the State of the Dead have to do with the Great Controversy

1:52:59 - Do human souls live forever outside of Christ?

1:56:25 - Did the thief on the cross go to heaven that day?

2:06:48 - What happens to cremated bodies?

2:10:30 - Did Jesus go to Hell when He die?

2:17:49 - What does spirit mean?

2:20:21 - How were people in prison?

2:23:07 - Are SDAs physicalists?

2:25:35 - What does Paul mean by being absent in body but present in spirit?

2:29:12 - Is the teaching of the Adventist's understanding of the State of the Dead the same as Jehovah's Witness?

2:34:29 - Commercial: Join our Bible Studies each week in the Advent Defense League

2:36:52 - People who see ghosts / Saul and the Witch of Endor

2:42:54 - Does the disciples supposing they saw a spirit prove we have a spirit inside of us?

2:44:26 - Did Samuel speak when to the Witch of Endor?

2:57:23 - Closing thoughts

[thatnicekid]

6:01 - Video from Myles, EJ, and CMB

12:34 - Presentation in response to the video

13:51 - Context of 2 Corinthians 5;8 (Absent from the body and present with the Lord) - Response to Myles

45:12 - Philippians 1;23 - Response to EJ

48:55 - 2 Corinthians 12;1-4 (Paul in the Third Heaven) - Response to EJ

53:38 - Does Ecclesiastes 9;5 only refer to what happens in earth and not heaven? - Response to EJ

1:08:00 - Final thoughts on video

1:15:58 - Are their dead souls in heaven?

1:36:37 - What does the State of the Dead have to do with the Great Controversy

1:52:59 - Do human souls live forever outside of Christ?

1:56:25 - Did the thief on the cross go to heaven that day?

2:06:48 - What happens to cremated bodies?

2:10:30 - Did Jesus go to Hell when He died?

2:17:49 - What does spirit mean?

2:20:21 - How were people in prison?

2:23:07 - Are SDAs physicalists?

2:25:35 - What does Paul mean by being absent in body but present in spirit?

2:29:12 - Is the teaching of the Adventist's understanding of the State of the Dead the same as Jehovah's Witness?

2:34:29 - Commercial: Join our Bible Studies each week in the Advent Defense League

2:36:52 - People who see ghosts / Saul and the Witch of Endor


2:42:54 - Does the disciples supposing they saw a spirit prove we have a spirit inside of us?

2:44:26 - Did Samuel speak when to the Witch of Endor?

2:57:23 - Closing thoughts

[AndorDavis-cbjw]

I'm a seventh day Adventist and my wife, son, daughter and I came into the SDA truth in 2009
Baptized at a Mark Finley campaign at the Johannesburg stadium in South Africa 🇿🇦
I have a "BIG"!!! problem with Adventist that attend funerals on the Sabbath day!!!
Is it biblical?! 😡😡😡

[QuestionsForAdventists]

Great discussion.
First off may I state that I believe in conditional mortality and not eternal torment. Most SDAs regularly assume that any notion of an immaterial aspect to our human nature is automatically "of the devil". But I believe that an Adventist who is really trying to be honest about this matter should at least acknowledge that there are indeed some scriptural passages that *can be interpreted*, either rightly or wrongly, to suggest that there is an immaterial aspect to human beings that could possibly exist. Here are some passages from the Bible that *ARE NOT PAGAN in origin* :

1 Pet 3:18-20 *"For Christ also died* for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, *having been put to death in the flesh*, but made alive in the spirit; *in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison*, _who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark_, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water." [So when Christ died He went and preached to imprisoned Spirits from the age of Noah]
Revelation 20:4 "Also *I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded* for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years." [So these "souls" *(which continue existing)* come to life when resurrected.]
Rev 6:9-10 "When he opened the fifth seal, *I saw under the altar the SOULS of those who had been slain* for the word of God and for the witness they had borne. They cried out with a loud voice, "O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?" [Here dead souls are crying out, asking God about avenging them, so apparently they are consciously aware at some point.]
2Cor 5:6, 8 "So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord...Yes, we are of good courage, and *we would rather be AWAY from the BODY and at home with the Lord* .
Php 1:21-4 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. If I am to live in the flesh, that means fruitful labor for me. Yet which I shall choose I cannot tell. I am hard pressed between the two. *My desire is to DEPART and be with Christ, for that is far better* . But to remain in the flesh is more necessary on your account. [Here something besides "the flesh" is described as either Departing or Remaining].
In Ecclesiastes Solomon states that the children of man are but beasts and that they all have the same breath, and are made from the dust, and to dust all return. But then Solomon differentiates the animal from the man by asking
"Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down into the earth? (Ecc 3:21). [If this is just the "air of life" breathed into all creatures, then there should be no differentiating here.] Solomon later states "and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and *the spirit returns to God* who gave it. (Ecc 12:7)
1Thes 4:14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, *God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep* . [So God brings these souls with Him to be reunited with the resurrected physical bodies]
Again, such passages, all of which are NON-PAGAN biblical statements, should make the thoughtful Adventist *at least a little charitable towards those who hold to a different view* . Even the traditional view of "soul sleep" (prior to the Adventist physicalist view) allows for the soul to be a separate entity from the physical body, yet in a state of sleep (as in those who sleep in Christ - 1Cor 15:18). But it has been my experience in engaging with the Seventh-day Adventists that they simply cannot accommodate the notion of either substance duality or tripartite existence (see Hebrews 4:12) and often insist that these notions are completely pagan concepts, even though there are plenty of biblical illusions to such things.
*Every culture* on the planet (including pagans of every stripe) attest to some form acknowledgement of the immaterial world. This is not surprising for natural man knows some certain amount of truth, because he is made in the imagine of God. The only ones who fight this concept are the atheists. Classic Christian apologetics has always utilized this natural universal concept an immaterial aspect of our human nature as a proof for an immaterial God and the spiritual realm. Yet SDAs fight this idea and claim it is of the devil.
As a closing thought, consider this.; SDAs view man as being merely a "meat machine" all the way down to the bone, whose soul is entirely dependent upon a physical body for existence. It should be noted that this strict form of physicalism *is EXACTLY the same view that the atheists hold to* .
I welcome your thoughts.

[alegitimateonlinebusiness]

Hi Guys. it`s interesting to notice that when reading 2 Corinthians 15:52, there`s no trumpet playing when we at Christ`s return....2 separate events for most of us....i.e. death vs 1st resurrection

[AndorDavis-cbjw]

I'm a seventh day Adventist and my wife, son, daughter and I came into the SDA truth in 2009
Baptized at a Mark Finley campaign at the Johannesburg stadium in South Africa 🇿🇦
I have a "BIG"!!! problem with Adventist that attend funerals on the Sabbath day!!!
Is it biblical?! 😡😡😡