Do Protestants Have the Correct Old Testament Canon - Trent Horn Vs Steve Christie Debate

Catholics apologist Trent Horn and Protestant apologist Steve Christie (author of Why Protestant Bibles Are Smaller) debate whether Protestants have the correct old testament canon.

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Bios

Steve: I graduated from a Catholic college, where I converted to a Protestant in August 2004. I also earned a Bachelor degree in psychology & a Master of Business Administration. I was the Chairman of the Missions Committee at my former church. I have spoken at several churches in the northwest Ohio, northeast Ohio, & southeast Michigan areas on the canon of Scripture, as well as the keynote speaker on the 500-year anniversary of the Protestant Reformation. I was a guest on Reason & Theology (a Catholic YouTube ministry), and later I debated Gary Michuta on the canon. I have been interviewed on Christian television & radio. I have been teaching home Bible studies for 13 years, and the author of two books: “Why Protestant Bibles are smaller” & “Not really of us: why do children of Christian parents abandon the faith?” I currently worship at Emmanuel Baptist Church in Toledo, Ohio.
 
Trent Horn: After his conversion to the Catholic faith, Trent Horn earned master’s degrees in the fields of theology, philosophy, and bioethics. He serves as a staff apologist for Catholic Answers, where he specializes in teaching Catholics to graciously and persuasively engage those who disagree with them. Trent models that approach each week on the radio program Catholic Answers Live and on his own podcast, The Counsel of Trent. He has also been invited to debate at UC Berkeley, UC Santa Barbara, and Stanford University. Trent is an adjunct professor of apologetics at Holy Apostles College, has written for The National Catholic Bioethics Quarterly, and is the author of nine books, including Answering Atheism, The Case for Catholicism, and Why We’re Catholic: Our Reasons for Faith, Hope, and Love.

🔴 Debate Format

Affirmative Opening Statement (15 minutes)
Negative Opening Statement (15 minutes)

Affirmative First Rebuttal (7 minutes)
Negative First Rebuttal (7 minutes)

Affirmative Second Rebuttal (4 minutes)
Negative Second Rebuttal (4 minutes)

Affirmative cross examines negative (12 minutes)
Negative cross examines affirmative (12 minutes)

Audience Questions (30 minutes)

Affirmative Closing Statement (5 minutes)
Negative Closing Statement (5 minutes)

[granden]

So this is what I learned.
The more I learn, the less I know.

Mutual respect shown during debate.

[thomasbligh]

Trent is the most compelling and respectful Catholic apologist of our generation

[thivan]

Note to self
0:01 Welcoming speech
1:25 Sponsor acknowledgement (Exodus 90)
3:06 Introducing Steve
4:35 Introducing Trent
6:00 Format
6:30 OS: Steve - 15 mins
21:27 OS: Trent - 15 mins
36:35 Rebuttal: Steve - 7 mins
43:44 Rebuttal: Trent - 7 mins
50:48 2nd Rbttl: Steve - 4 mins
55:03 2nd Rbttl: Trent - 4 mins
59:07 Spnsr Acknwldgmnt (Ethos Logos Inv.)
1:00:52 Cross examination format
1:01:24 CE: Steve - 12 mins
1:13:28 CE: Trent - 12 mins
1:25:46 Support Pints
1:27:17 Q&A - 30 mins
1:50:03 CS: Steve
1:55:11 CS: Trent
2:00:08 Debaters info

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[SemperVeritas.]

Really waiting for Steve’s objective standard for determining what is and isn’t scripture. I’m a protestant that is looking for an intelligent reason not to become catholic and I’m struggling to find one

[buffsoldierofchrist]

I love Trent man, such an humble and nice guy. From a "protestant" who is now currently studying Catholicism and orthodoxy I have to say that Trent won in my eyes.

[heidiaraneta]

Trent was a guy who really keep his composure, he really speaks cool and has a wide knowledge about the history of the Church ..Trent I've watched atleast 3 of your debates and this one really made me believed that you're a person gifted with a talent to proclaim the truth to all of us..God bless you Trent ..keep on doing this and we're here Catholics to pray for you😊🙏✌️♥️

[jobsamyboy]

Wisdom Chapter 2 Gives me all confidence That Catholic Canon is the correct one.

[dxxt]

I like Mr Steve Christie but Mr Trent Horn had the more convincing arguments and very clear and precise conclusions.

[DavidPNeff]

This was a phenomenal debate. As an atheist, I must say that I love Trent Horn

[jonalviar]

Trent Horn is the best! I am a proud Catholic.

[timsgsr]

I’m Catholic now because of this debate. I hear you Trent Horn

[melaniesweeney]

I have to say, my favorite thing of this debate is the cordiality and good humor they both have. Regardless of disagreement, Steve and Trent would probably both be fun to have a discussion with over dinner.

[tesschavit]

God bless you Trent, keep up the great work for the salvation of souls

[jerodfrank]

Steve literally just said that the church would not lose sight of what books were in the canon but also he follows a new canon from the 1500s. Even if he makes the case that it was the same one that the apostles believed in, they definitely lost it if that was the case

[OrthodoxJourney]

As a former Protestant, I’d say yes! They do not have the complete Cannon of Scripture although, the deuterocanonical books were in the KJV until publisher’s removed them in the mid 1800s and many Protestant Christians would read them back then and really it is a recent phenomena that those books are not appreciated like they once were. I will say something I’ve heard from many a priest, both Catholic and Orthodox, “all you need to live a productive and fruitful Christian life is the NT and Psalms.

[tesschavit]

Thankful to God that I am catholic, the church that God Himself founded🙏🏻❤️

[ericgatera]

@Steve is mistaken to assume that Jesus would have revealed everything he knew to the disciples. But the scriptures shows that Jesus would rather set a way for the Church to come to the understanding of the full truth in time which he didn't yet fully revealed to his disciples. John 16:12-14 "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you."

[thecatholicrabbi]

You can tell that Trent has heard these objections so many times

[Scotchism]

I just don’t see how you would not accept the canon Christ himself would have read and used in the Septuagint. Protestants deny “tradition” but have the hard pill to swallow in accepting a reformation era tradition with 66 books instead of the original 73.

[Solideogloria]

Respect for both debater. I love Trent and Pints with Aquinas. Two of my favorite Roman Catholics. Greetings from an evangelical catholic.