Absolute State Of Wayland In The BSD World

We know that Wayland has been getting a lot better in the Linux world but what about the BSD world, does it work, is there any support at all or is it just a Wayland wasteland.

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[CharlesSchaum]

I like the fact that people using the BSDs are taking the desktop seriously. It seemed like desktop use was second class untill PC-BSD (its PBI apps were like Flatpak before Flatpak) and GhostBSD, with NomadBSD and perhaps MidnightBSD, succeeded on the desktop.

[esra_erimez]

My dad used 386BSD and then FreeBSD a lot when he was starting out in Unix. It was very close to SunOS at the time.

[ransan]

Brodie Top Wayland Propagandist Robertson

[autohmae]

Some people have worked on making OpenBSD's pledge () and unveil () available on Linux, because the OpenBSD people spend a lot of time thinking about security and thus came up with something pretty simple to use which Linux does not.

[doigt]

I think the criticisms about the heavy linux dependency is valid though. Ideally, wayland should have been designed without dependencies on any one particular system. This design choice alone is causing huge delays on the implementation of wayland solutions in the bsd world.

[CMDRSweeper]

I do keep a FreeBSD server around, so I have seen the issues and comments regarding the ZFS filesystem dating back to 2011 when ZOL (ZFS On Linux) came out and how recently, a lot of Linux referencing code have started to take over the ZFS module and the concerns relating to that.
Based on that, I can see Wayland not being implemented unless stuff changes in the project as the FreeBSD crowd has a bit of "anti Linux" mentality for both good and bad reasons, as such they do not want to import much Linux code, so that is why you will probably not see full faced Wayland on desktop for FreeBSD anytime soon.
Then they have the issue that a lot of the FreeBSD users, myself included are running it mostly as a server appliance, and to us, Wayland or Xorg doesn't matter, neither is installed.

[mx]

With openBSDs security focus it would only make sense for them to actually adopt Wayland.

[AlucardNoir]

See Brodie, you're not a linux youtuber, you're a Wayland youtuber.

[brunothedev]

You know a person if they use BSD or Linux on how deep their basement is, and if they use X11 or Wayland on how clear it is(just to be clear, this is joke, please don't kill me)

[ОлегСаперенко]

This video mentnions BSDs so much I now want video about BSD, what they do different from linux and why, and why so many distros

[ahettinger]

The problem isn't and never was that it CAN'T be made to work on other UNIXes, it's that wayland devs are as linux-centric as microsoft is window-centric.

[babyboomertwerkteam]

Getting Wayland working on OpenBSD will mean KDE Plasma will finally work on it! Plasma has hard dependencies on Wayland which is why it hasn't been available in OpenBSD for ages. People love to think of GNOME as the Wayland champions but GNOME actually has no hard dependencies on it whatsoever (but it *does* still have hard dependencies on X11 because Mutter's codebase is ancient). The latest version of GNOME is available right now in OpenBSD and it works great. No one is really maintaining it in FreeBSD which is why that's not the case there.

[toranshaw]

I really need to step my toe into the BSD waters, at some point in the not too distant future.

[torspedia]

One of these days I really need to step a toe into the BSD world.

[nitrogenez]

Some day Brodie will make a Church of Wayland

[thesunexpress]

Been a hyprland user on FreeBSD for nearly a year now, on an XPS 9380 -- been fun so far. Sway & SwayFX work great too.

[andljoy]

Open BSD, You where supposed to be the chosen one!

[arielalejandro]

you make very insightful reviews glad I found your channel

[_ClericalError_]

It would have been nice if the Wayland guys had considered that things other than Linux exist out in the wild, but if you read about the design and concepts in Wayland, it is kind of a "act as a way to pass buffers around, farm out literally everything else" so I am not surprised at how it has ended up. Wayland does work for me under FreeBSD (my preferred BSD flavor) but it is only because the FreeBSD devs have had to emulate a bunch of Linux craziness to make it work.

There is a really good BSD podcast from a year or two ago where they speak with one of the Wayland devs who more or less writes off the BSDs altogether because they don't work like Linux.

[xmvziron]

You should really make a video on Wayfire! It's my favorite Wayland compositor out of them all. It would also be fun to cover some of the meme worthy effects in it...