Should you Work for a Startup?

Should developers work for startups? What are the pros and cons of being a developer / programmer working with a startup company vs an established business?

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[StefanMischook]

What do guys think of the audio? I've moved up to 24bit and made it louder.

[tim_t]

It's also worth noting that when you work for a startup, forget specializing in front-end or back-end. You get shoehorned as a full-stack dev. You're end-to-end. 😂

Though that's somewhat a good thing, depending on your goals.

[Me-vcsf]

The unrealistic deadline in a startup and expectations from a junior developer is really High

[punksnotdead]

I’ve worked for two startups. It’s stressful but interesting. Main wake up calls were how little due diligence investors and grant bodies do, how dishonest senior management can be (and get away with it) and all the tricks they use to play employees.There are good startups but they’re the 1% so chances are you’ll be treated like crap and walk away with no money

[seth]

I've worked with many startups. I would just say to be careful and know when to move on. Most will fail, but you will find ones that rise to the top. Work metrics change weekly/ daily. Great opportunity to get experience as they generally only care if you can do the job. They will value a good portfolio and hire you based on it.

[joland]

I say no. Risk is too high not getting paid. The number of ppl with ‘ideas’ that require a developer i met are many. But as soon as money comes to table they lose interest. Basically You are the one taking all risks and them little to nothing.

[omarflores]

Its like you can read minds Mr. Stef, I was wondering and thinking about this exact same question, thank you for your clarification!

[johnmore]

I had some bad experiences with startups and in my own opinion that’s waste of time and i will never join a such again.

[roviotech]

This is so true, unfortunately I never had the experience to work in a startup but with my current company which is pretty much established, I never experienced dealing with cutting edge technologies.

[monasticculture]

Stefan always comIng with the rich practical knowledge!!!🤜🏾🤛🏾💯

[othmanmessaoud]

Worked for a startup and it was absolute hell. Got hired for doing a specific job and found myself doing something else and being criticised and even being laid off for "performance" reasons. We would work 1 month and a half and get a months salary only. Management was toxic. Ceo was toxic; Hr was toxic. My amanger was a total Bitch would scream at us constantly and make other people cry. They had no hardware and even the place they worked in looked absolutely horrible.Broken doors and toilets etc. Would not recommend

[Hsa]

Nice to hear that your student gets to be partnered with google. You are the best.

[polygons]

100% agree. I've been quite happier at start-ups than at bigger places. Also, people is waaaay (Stef (TM)) less picky if you don't have this or that uni career. (I recall in one when they only realized I had a bunch of courses till 3 months or so after I entered the company, while I provided those in day 1 : they literally only cared about the actual projects, the graphics in my case. It's only that they realized it when some gov person asked for titles in one of the employees to receive admin money, lol.... ). You kindda feel better as see what's going on in every moment. Also you kinda feel more key, instead of being a bit of one piece more in a large organization. Can also learn more varied stuff, typically. Although in the big ones you tend to specialize more. Sometimes over specialize. I prefer freelancing to the other two, but is the hardest one to sustain. The less detachment... freakin' true as well. I couldn't even get a cold, lol.

Tip of an old dog: Yep, most startups fail, but your learning through it is the same, your years of experience, and your income earned. That's it. That's what matters. Is crucial never to work with pessimism even if the company is going the way of the dodo, you're a pro and must not be affected, work till last minute with the best spirit. You'll work at other place later. Mercenaries in the many wars of the XVII -XVIII century and etc, as an example, would fight in any battle known to fail, but a pro does the work well no matter what (not that I'm in favor of wars, lol, bad example). In the end doesn't matter, you made your money and learnt new things.

[DataStorm]

in a startup, don't forget to ask for a flat salary, can't eat stock options while the company is starting up, gotta live of something in the meantime. Also, its only 4 % of them that make it, and of that 4 % not all of them go to stock market etc. Most get sold off to some of the big boys after few years if its good. After that, you see the employees leave one by one for none of them are "corporate" stuff...

[archiemisc]

If they have a good management team and able to keep their business goals focused then yeah, I'd say go for it. Otherwise, you should start expanding your skillset to include project management.

[adam]

Stef! Absolutely loving the Web stack course (HTML done, currently on CSS, and looking forward to Javascript).
Not sure about others, but if there was a way to add on a python (django) module to the course that covers the same aspects of the PHP modules I'd definitely buy that.
Even though it's not Web focused, I fully plan on getting your current python course next, the studioweb platform is great!