The Causes Of The Coming Population Collapse

In this video, I go deep on what I perceive to be the most fundamental causes for the coming population collapse throughout the world.

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00:00 - Introduction
01:36 - Universal Literacy
06:54 - Religion
17:26 - Urbanisation
28:10 - Role of Men and Women

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[windblownleaf]

The time spent becoming educated is a big factor that needs to be considered. It consumes so much of our lives from childhood to adulthood. Its incredibly common for people to not have time for relationships growing up, or for it to be discouraged by parents and teachers so children can focus on school. A lot of people end up in their mid twenties with no romantic experience and no idea how to get into one. Adult working life doesnt exactly leave one with much free time either

[TheSwedishHistorian]

its the breakdown of the family, raising a child is torture without relatives

[ANONAAAAAAAAA]

For the Feminism part, I think urbanization and destructing local communities caused this situation.
Nobody wants to be stay-home wife in isolated nuclear families.
I think local communities used to be somewhat female territories where they can be a part of a society and brag about how their children are doing well.
By destroying local communities, women lost their society and had no other choice but to compete with men on the same field.
IMO Feminism is just a superficial symptom of the situation we have cooked for centuries, and that was initiated by urbanization and destruction of local communities.

[Khneefer]

I would add 2 more causes:
-Popular culture showing upper middle class as a averege/median. To achieve this people cut costs - biggest cost is "next child".
-retirement systems nationalise profists of having children (only age and years of work matters).

[bitcoinzoomer]

The cause of civilizations' success is usually the same as its decline. We industrialized, urbanized, and radically changed our culture. This allowed for massive growth, but is now the reason for our downfall.

[JalinRabbei]

I live in Brazil. What I see is that most people doesn't like kids at all. The ones who do, are having children, despite the difficulties. I think if you completely remove "accidental pregnancy" (dont believe such thing) from Brazil, it would have the lowest fertility rate in the world

[kamil]

Many of my friends can't find a girlfriend for years, many have given up. They want to have children, but when it's physically impossible it's hard to talk about higher fertility.

Every young woman flees to the BIG5 (I'm from Poland, BIG5 = 5 largest cities), small and medium cities consist of old people, fewer and fewer young children and bachelors who start drinking more and more as they get older.

And in big cities, these women's demands grow to absurd proportions. Many of these women complain all the time because a tall, rich, handsome guy won't fulfill her instagram dream.

I have no more hope for my mates, it's over.

[winterskiU]

We may have to come to terms with the fact that the current economic model simply isn't child friendly. If you look at the numbers, birth rates have been falling for 200 years. (Europe specifically) 1800 - 6, 1900 - 4 by 1970 it is around 2.3 (some countries already below replacement) This is before mass immigration, expensive housing, dating apps or birth control.
Make of that what you will.

[krzysztof]

I've got 2 babies at the same time (twins), what is quite a challenge haha. We moved from a capital city to a much smaller town. A price for apartment is like 2 - 2.5 less than in Warsaw. I work remotely, so I don't have to commute. The apartment we bought is not only affordable, but also in the city centre. Everything is in walkable distance. There's also a nice park. If I had to live in a big city, it wouldn't be possible. I couldn't buy anything decent in Warsaw

[herjales]

“The primary woman, the peasant woman, is mother. The whole vocation towards which she has yearned from childhood is included in that one word. But now emerges the Ibsen woman, the comrade, the heroine of a whole megalopolitan literature from Northern drama to Parisian novel. Instead of children, she has soul-conflicts; marriage is a craft-art for the achievement of ‘mutual understanding.” It is all the same whether the case against children is the American lady’s who fears that her lover would leave her, or an Ibsen heroine’s who “belongs to herself” – they all belong to themselves and they are all unfruitful. The same fact, in conjunction with the same arguments, is to be found in the Alexandrian, in the Roman and, as a matter of course, in every other civilized society – and conspicuously in that in which Buddha grew up.” - Oswald Spengler

[SSSR]

For the women part, where you said that societal survival is also in question I will just quote one female who posted an answer to my qeustion regard this exact thing:
"Nah. Even if the species was to extinct, I wouldn't make kids. In fact, I WISH for human extinction. The advancement of humanity was the worst thing to happen to this planet."
I think her comment perfectly shows what most of modern feminists think when qeustion of induvial right vs survival of the species pops up.

[mymom]

I feel one of the main points often missed out by the right is the fact that children, from an economic standpoint are seen as a low-value commodity with an extremely high capex and opex in tandem with the wide availability of birth control & contraceptives AND the increasing literacy/educational rates of women. Once women are liberated from their traditional roles as homemakers and given the choice of wanting more or fewer kids, the fertility rate straight up plummets.

As a society's GDP increases and the citizens become richer, higher and more expensive standards arise as people demand better quality of life for themselves and their children which propels a cascade of constantly increasing prices of complex services which in turn also come into play whenever prospective parents think about having children.

TL;DR people think children are low-value commodities

[TheLeper]

Honestly I wish the US and Europe were more like East Asia in certain regards. While you can come back from population collapse eventually, immigration and ethnic dilution are far more permanent and damaging…

[LouisMota]

We need grandparents to help like the old days. People today want to spend their retirement traveling and don’t want to help out with the grandkids. My grandmothers worked, their mothers before worked. You know who took care of the children back then? The grandparents, grand aunts and uncles. People had many children because they had help at home, They were poor so it was not because of money.

[mjr_schneider]

Under every video about birthrates I see normies claiming that life is just too expensive these days to have more kids. And while I'm sure increased housing prices have played some role, it's just an obvious red herring. Why, if the problem is not having enough money, would it be all the richest countries on earth that have the lowest fertility and all the poorest countries that have the highest? It's purely a matter of what people are choosing to spend their money on, and in richer countries they have many more options. Anecdotally, among the (depressingly many) young women I talk to who say they don't want kids, not a single one has said the reason is because they're too expensive.

[zorandusic]

I've read somewere that an average Muscovite woman had 12 kids in 1600s, during the rise of the Muscovite Tsardom and its evolution into Russia.

[flamingpineconex]

All of these are influencing factors. The collapse however, is about the meaning of life. A survey of DESIRED fertility among female Chinese college students found an average desire of 1.0 child/woman. This is before personal finances can even prevent births, so the actual fertility rate will be much lower than even 1.0. The US in 2007 was literate, urbanized, ~secular, and feministic, and yet had above-replacement fertility. Israel as well. It's about belief in life path. My father is a very anti-natalist, 'humans have ruined everything' type of guy, yet he has two kids. "We are animals, its what we do." My brother firmly believes he will never have children, he claims he is escaping his fate as an animal, in a sort of transhumanist way. He sees having children as unsustainable. Most of the youth see endless consumption, whether experiential (out on the town), or of the endless media that is digitally available as a satisfactory mode of life. Some of my (intelligent) friends with health problems think their genes aren't worth passing on, others think they would be incapable of raising a child. The primary difference between now and then is that then, humans were the most interesting feature of your world. You went outside, talked to women, had sex, had children, then had to take care of them. Now it is all optional. Add to this the fact that internet-raised children tend to be avoidant and risk-adverse, porn provides a risk-free alternative outlet for sexual desire, social media inflation of standards etc. etc. I can say confidently that the urban-leftist zoomers of America will have a fertility rate below 1.0. I think 0.6 for this group is quite likely. The Christian conservatives that retain the cultural value of raising children may sustain the overall rate at above 1.0. Its all about culture, about what you believe is possible and good for your life. The media culture of modernity has turned the masses against reproduction.

[mclurr]

As a civil engineer listening to the "urbanist community" on youtube boils my blood. They are purely motivated by their hatred of cars and spitefulness. It has always been obvious that you don't have to go into logical extremes like american soulless suburbia or cage flats from hongkong. It is actually possible to construct nice liveable towns with decent public transport and that also have medium population density, you can just cleverly place buildings.

[Medley]

Your first point is wrong! You could just as easily have claimed that the birth rate has fallen because women now also wear pants. Being able to read and write does not reduce the birth rate. Otherwise this would have already happened in Europe in the 19th century when compulsory education was introduced. But that didn't happen; on the contrary, the population in Europe grew enormously back then. It was urbanization that brought this about. Suddenly, it was expensive to have children and there was no benefit to having them as there was in the countryside where they could help with the work and you could have enough food for them by growing your own food. However, the mechanization of agriculture and the use of fertilizers meant that far fewer people were needed for food production than before. However, the poor African countries have not yet taken this step, or only partially.

[GoodieMartin]

Personally, I think the main reason for falling birthrates is not even religion or house prices but simply women rights. And before someone starts hating on me, no I don't want to take women rights that's just my observation I think is true. In the past when women were basically assets owned by families to marry to a rich guy and were expected to be housewives raising kids there was no issue with birthrates and even if urbanization lowered fertility, it still stayed on above replacement level. Families played a major role, and houses were often multi-generational with all kids and marriages being a family affair. Women were also under massive pressure to have kids and have a husband otherwise she would be seen as a failure and ostracized. But ever since women rights started ramping up, women began to take active part in the workforce the whole social contract fell apart. Children are no longer seen as "wealth of the family" but more like a burden and financial responsibility, women that take part in carrier buildings don't even think about having kids and I don't blame them really. There is no reason to have one and it's almost like a hobby now to have a kid and it's like 80% only 1 kid which still is below replacement level. There are no longer family multi-generational wealth building, parents basically tell kids to fuck off at 18yo and go rent some small room in a city for 60% of your wage when back then the whole family would unconditionally help you raise kids. When women are most fertile between 16-30 and historically at this age were popping out kids are not spending their time on work while after 30 they become ticking biological bomb with each year increasing a chance of autism or some fucked up disability for their potential childbirth and are running out of eggs. I don't know what really the solution for that is, but the whole system is just dysfunctional at it's core and almost anti-natural. Add to that ultra feminist movements and mainstream narrative of children being the worst burden and making a childless woman into some symbol of power which makes things even worse. At this point even is some schizo would take women rights away they would still not have any kids anyway, it's just a completely different way of thinking and no matter with how much money you shower them with they will just not change. And if I were a woman, I would probably don't want any kid either to be honest. You can even see it in 3rd world countries that also have falling birthrates, it's not as if they stopped being poor it's just simply that they got some access to the internet and mobile network with women seeking work carrier mindset getting to them, so the birthrate is falling there too. For now developed countries help themselves by import whoever they can, but at some point, fertility will drop below replacement level everywhere and there will be no one to import. Then I think we will start see serious discussion about artificial wombs and state run raising facilities to keep the economy growing and at that point humanity alive. And China will most likely be the first one to do that.