Origins of Islam: Mecca or Petra?

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00:00 – Introduction: Revisiting the Revisionist Debate
02:19 – The Direction of Qibla: Was Petra the Original Mecca?
09:33 – Discussions Around the Quran: Its Origins and Compilation
13:16 – Evaluating the Evidence: Traditional vs. Revisionist Claims
17:30 – Conclusion: Weighing the Arguments

#Documentary #Islam #mecca

Music courtesy of EpidemicSound

[DLS_editz]

Though I’m a Muslim, I believe that as Muslims, we can not clear doubts by assuming the doubts of non-Muslims, but rather listening to them and then addressing to them. I respect this effort from the Kings and General team to be as unbiased as possible, while presenting the Muslim side with a high amount of accuracy!

[keekl]

- Petra theory must have been coined by Dan Gibson together with anti-Muslim Arab, Fadi.
- Zamzam well where Hagar first discovered is in Mecca, not Petra.
- First mosque, after Masjidil Haram was Quba' in Medina, not Petra.
- Islam spread outward to Yemen, Ethiopia & Medina first, not to Jerusalem, Cairo or Damascus which are closer to Petra.

[khalidh]

No offense, but the “petra” theory has to be the worst theory.. poorly supported by any evidence.

[umairahmed]

If the petra was the place of Islam's origin then why it took so long for Muslims to conquer the Jerusalem? and how come Medina and Khyber came under Muslim conquest before the cities just next to petra? Even Yemen was under Muslim influence before Jerusalem and what about the migration to Abbyssinia? Heading towards Taif why not going to cairo or Alexandria instead?

[JohnnyElRed]

Argument in favour of Petra: it's a very cool location to establish a Holy City on.

[OmerE.C]

You forgot to mention the Zamzam argument.
Where's zamzam well, or any other well in Petra? Especially one that's at most just 10 meters far from the Kaaba?
That can only be seen in Mecca

[OmerE.C]

Many commenters actually don't realise that K&G is being much more supportive of the common islamic narrative with all the evidences it brought.
Thank you so much Kings And Generals ❤

[midoo_cherni]

it's interesting how every revisionist argument boils down to a non-muslim, non-arab, with no cultural or historical context, ignoring reliable archeological evidence to make a very bold and attention-grabbing claim about a core part of a very standardized and well understood religion. it's almost like early islam is very different from european paganism and cant be treated with the same blind groping fantastical exoticism

[fhd]

( إِنَّا نَحْنُ نـزلْنَا الذِّكْرَ * وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُونَ )

[ramishkamal]

I was surprised by you guys using ‘Namaz’ instead of ‘Salah’, but as a Pakistani I liked it. Informative video like always guys

[TheEnginator]

"Namaz" is the persian name for "salah", islamic prayer. I know it because us Turks use it, too. 😁

[aamirchaka]

As a muslim, I enjoyed this video. A critical take on all history is essential in an age of misinformation

[princevegeta]

Petra theory does not even qualify their own revisionist criteria. Think about it. Battle of Badr is the most significant battle in Islamic history. It was fought over a caravan of Quraish coming from Syria. And where was it fought? Thousand kms away from petra or syria, in Badr. Similarly, Disheartened from Quraish and their persecution, Prophet ﷺ visited another city in early Muslim history. A reasonable person would think it would be some neighbouring city, like Jerusalem etc. Nope, it was Taif, another city thousands kms away from petra. They also want us to believe that Prophet ﷺ conquered khaybar, then conquered petra, then conquered taif, and lastly conquered tabuk. Go to the map, mark those places and guess how he would have mobilized his troops through byzantine territory into petra. It's a doozy.

And lastly, pact of hudaibiyah is another historically documented event where Prophet ﷺ left Medinah for pilgrimage to the holy city and was stopped by the Quraish to enter the holy city and a treaty was signed between them. Those who claim the holy city is petra wants us to believe that 1600 people (many of them are those who migrated from the same holy city in last 6 years) couldn't tell north from south and headed towards the opposite path. Not only that but that the people of the holy city (petra supposedly), instead of laughing at this blunder, headed to stop them from entering the city at... hudaibiyah? A place thousands of kms away and on the opposite side of Medinah? And not only did they manage to surpass Muslims with their unrealistic marching speed but they also didn't capture Medinah on their way? What kind on looney tunes level history is that?

[colinsteward]

A poem isn't very good proof of fact but a message on a stone has to be believed.
Ffs

[lukaswilhelm]

if Petra was the actual origin of Islam then how come Muhammed have conflict with his own tribe the Quraish that rule over Mecca? that also dont explain why Muhammed move to Yatrib/Medina all the way to the south only to have close proximity war with Quraish? revisionism here doesnt make sense at all.

[study]

Surah Al-Imran, Aya 96 The location of the Kaaba itself is called Bakkah (Written BKH) which is within Mecca (MKH).
Surah Al-Hajj, Aya 27 describes the location as being one where where people are drawn towards from the deepest corners of the world, it's the polar opposite Al-Batraa (petra) / البتراء, meaning the cut-off/isolated.
Surah Al-Fath Aya 24 Mecca is explicitly mentioned in the Qur'an, unlike petra.

BKH from the root BK meaning Pushed/pushing, in reference to the water (BKA' for example means the watery discharge from the eyes - tears Bakka (to weep) compares the watery discharge from the eyes to the "semitic" word for Well or Ayn which also means eye (The word for Eye is the same word for Well in Arabic - It is a highly multi-layered language) we know from the Quran that the miraculous well of Zamzam was ushered inlieu of Hagar's pleading for her Son Ismael to have water, and it also carries the meaning of people pushing against each other.

Mecca MKH from the root MK meaning absorbed, receded to as in the drawing place where people go back to (remember from the Aya in there is the first House made for man), and it can also be in reference to the water which had receded unto it, and it can be both as both are true.

In Other words Pulled - Mecca, the city and Pushed - Bakkah, the location in immediate vicinity of the kaaba - which is exactly what would happen if one were to do the Hajj, being pushed is par of course. The two names also carry the meaning of being the place from which water sprung (zamzam - Bakkah ) and is absorbed (by the city, those that go there - Mecca )

Petra is morpheme of بتر BTR, meaning amputate/cutoff (it's in a hard to reach spot even today, it was only rediscovered in the 19th century it's a secret spot, not a pilgrimage spot) In addition-
2:53 He mentions that the direction of prayer was first mentioned by Al-Bukhari, who lived 200 years later. This is complete and utter nonsense. Al-Bukhari (194 AH) recorded what had been passed down. There are several writers whose writings are available to us that preceded him who say the same thing. ibn Amr ibn al-As was born 27BH (Bfore Hijrah - equivalent to BCE). Malik Ibn Anas was born 98 AH. Abdel Razaq Al-Sanani was born 124 AH. Ibn Abi Shaybah was born 159 AH. The manuscripts are dated for the time they were copied, not when they were written. Unlike those that claim the sum of three ones isn't three, the believers actually would write down who is actually writing, and to whom that writing was transmitted from. Yes. They were that precise. A millennium ago.

5:10 "the period of the renaissance of science, mathematics, engineering, and other disciplines in the Muslim world, came much later, sometime in the late 8th century. It is plausible to believe" The "8th century" Al-Bukhari was born in the 9th century, according to the calendar this channel uses, furthermore the advancements were contemporaneous with him so k&g is contradicting himself.

[Megatronus-]

Been waiting for a part 2 I'm excited to watch this video

[aldrintoscano]

I'm glad you made a video about this topic.

[historyuntold]

The entire premise of Gibson’s claim that early Islamic mosques face Petra, not Mecca is flawed because mosques aren't built to face Mecca, they face the Kaaba but not in the geographical sense as we know since it's quite impossible to face an edifice down to the last degree (which is also thousands of kilometers away) without using modern geometery.
The Arabs before Islam used folk astronomy based on what one can see in the heavens. The Kaaba has a rectangular base which is astronomically aligned: its major axis points toward the rising of Canopus, the brightest star in the southern sky, its minor axis is defined by summer sunrise and winter sunset, and its four corners roughly align with the cardinal directions.
The Muslims developed a sacred geography in which, over the centuries, various schemes were developed in which segments of the perimeter of the Kaaba corresponded to sectors of the world which had the same qibla, defined in terms of astronomical risings and settings. The first such schemes appear in Baghdad in the 9th century.
By the early 9th century, the Muslims had accessed the geographical and mathematical knowledge of their predecessors, which meant that for the first time they could calculate the qibla using (medieval) geographical coordinates and mathematical procedures. (Of course, this would still not mean that they could find the modern direction of Mecca.)

[suleymanthemagnificent]

you are always on point nearly in every topics, thanks man.