Microsoft Will Delete Minecraft Java.

[SalC]

Guys, before you comment on this, please actually watch the whole video. Pippen brings up some extremely valid points in the video that I've actually never heard someone say before regarding this topic. The point that sparked my interest the most was the the small, incremental changes Microsoft has been making to the franchise as a whole. A tiny change may piss someone off for a while, but it eventually wears off to where it becomes normal. These changes like migration and chat reporting happen just far enough in between that it wouldn't cause a major backlash that would hurt their revenue stream. Microsoft would've otherwise pushed all of this from the beginning, which would obviously result catastrophe.

I've actually had this thought regarding this in the back of my head for the longest time, but didn't really think too much of it. But now I realize that it should be blatantly obvious that Microsoft likely has an end goal with this. And like Pippen said, I hope I'm 100% wrong.

[enkvadrat_]

Not even the devs play minecraft bedrock, but if java was discontinued we will make our own updates mods and server system

[fryfly]

Thing is Java technically does not require support from microsoft, cracked versions of the game can be started without ever connecting to mojangs authentification servers (certain minecraft servers also do not require authentication to connect), making it possible to play the game even if microsoft decides to completely shut down any official support or updates. Which might kill the game for some people, but many minecraft communities dont update to new versions anyway. Most minigames for example, are still played in 1.8.9, which you could totally continue playing on.

[darth_dan]

I do not fear discontinuation of the Java edition. As long as they don't lock it away and make it impossible to play (which is barely even possible), the game will live on. Minecraft doesn't necessarily need regular updates, in fact, having one ultimate final version would be an extremely fruitful ground for modders.

[LavaHead]

I feel one day minecraft java will be referred to as classic edition and will be entirely community driven

[rxblessed]

So since most Minecraft content on YT/other forms of media is Java edition, and that content helps market the game to audiences, deleting Java would be Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot. I hope there’s somebody up there in Microsoft who can see why deleting it is a bad idea, not just for the community but for them as well!

[jacechatter]

if this happens i will tell my neighbor kevin

[bluewind]

It's sad to see this happening to what's one of the most important games in my life. Corporate greed can and often will corrupt anything it touches.

[jucedoesthings]

Hey, Pippen, just to correct something that weirded me out, Java never banned single player for users who were banned nor was censorship enabled on single player. That has always been a Bedrock exclusive due to the fact that every single Bedrock world is handled as a local multiplayer world

[insertchannelnamehere]

Here before he realises the title is "Microsoft will Minecraft Java"

[xymaryai]

the thing i'm scared of is them discontining access to old versions. because Java edition is literally immortal as long as the internet infrastructure is still compatible. the only thing that can kill it is preventing it from being downloaded and account verification being restricted.

[someguywithnocontent]

We need the whole community to start talking about this. We need mojang and MineCraft to stop with NDA's with content creators. We need to save not Java edition, but MineCraft as whole. I know deep down that if java edition does die, the community will find a way to keep playing, it just sucks that it would have to be without official support, and we'd lose out on new updates :(

[eggbug]

I’m honestly not too worried, because even if it gets abandoned, I know there are people dedicated enough to make the updates on their own for us to download

[Zandercraft]

Also don't forget that most console versions are artificially limited to the "Featured Servers" only. Some consoles (like XBox) even had the ability to connect to any server before, but removed that later... You can still play on a server by changing DNS or having it on your local network so it has nothing to do with compatibility, they just want the only servers available to be the ones they choose.

[zara]

As someone who has been in the software industry for 30 years I can say you're pretty much spot on from a business ROI point of view. I suspect however instead of killing off the java version per se they will slowly bring it to parity with bedrock (re: micro-transaction hell) first. They will get better ROI if they can convert as many of the java population over to the micro-transaction bedrock model. This will be softer than just killing out java from under everyone (and as you mention something they can draw out over time to minimize any grumblings from the community). However once you have parity between versions on the micro transaction side and they feel they have converted all the people they can they will then at that point kill it off essentially as a duplicate product, likely while adding features to bedrock and attempt to sell it as a 'unification' event between both bedrock and java communities. This is sort of classic stuff to do when you want to "migrate" a business unit's existing customer/user base you've bought under your existing core business.

Online software companies today care really about two things only - at least these are two of the biggest KPIs they watch closely daily: DAU (Daily Active Users) & CR (Conversion Rate; which is essentially how many people exposed vs engaged to put it simply).

Due to these driving factors they will of course put everything towards micro-transactions as they are essentially what "powers" modern software along with subscription models. Long gone are the days of buying software and you owning it. Which sucks really and is not how any of this should be. Hopefully someday laws can be made or changed which force these companies to have to provide you with all your purchased digital assets instead of just sucking money out of people and then ultimately you get nothing back in the end. We've adopted this stance (in society) that if it's digital it's OK to screw the customer. Of course this would never be allow for any physical asset you would buy from a company generally speaking.

One last add; micro-transactions should be illegal as well. They ruin this industry and they are gambling and addictive negative reinforcement cloaked in shiny graphics and the alure of advantage.

[erwynnipegerwynnipeg]

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[uhlan]

Java edition becoming discontinued would have a silver lining for the modding community. No more updates would mean everyone could just port their mod to the final version of Java edition and never have to worry about it again. No more abandoned mods becoming lost to old Minecraft versions. No more not getting to use some of your favorite mods together because some of them aren’t updated past 1.12.2 and others only go back as far as 1.16.5. I’m sure there would be plenty of mods porting over the new updates being made for Bedrock edition too.

[zgalexy]

Bedrock/pocket edition was the version of my childhood. I played it constantly when I was young, and it will always have a special place in my heart. I left and now play Java specifically because of Microsoft's new changes. It's a money grab now and isn't even the same game. For goodness sake, even the vanilla gameplay has changed. On my old devices, I could get a good 24 chunks and it felt like I was playing the same game as the famous YouTubers everyone was watching. Now on the same devices, I can only get 9 chunks maximum (that's the limit, even when my device wasn't struggling) and I can tell the second I log in that I'm playing Bedrock. Something just feels different. Like it's just a lower-quality version of the game made to keep up Microsoft's profit margin.

[bettercalldelta]

When microsoft bought Minecraft, I knew they would slowly change things one by one to make us forget and get used to it. They had bad intentions from the start, but they wanted to avoid large public backlash, by doing those mental gymnastics on us.

[Tamajyn]

I've been theorizing this happening for the last year or so now too. Microsoft hates java. They are likely running at a loss off java. As you pointed out no micro transactions, no map sales, no skins sales = no $ for microsoft.

I theorize that it may even be within 3-5 years that they announce that they'll no longer be developing updates for java due to "technical limitations." I don't think they'll be able to cut access altogether though.

Luckily the thriving java modding community has more creativity in their pinky finger than microsoft's entire company combined. You're right about it being a slow and calculated death though.