Marvel’s KANG PROBLEM - What Went Wrong? (And How to Fix It!)

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So picture this: you have a new big bad in the MCU that has the potential to eclipse the Mad Titan Thanos.

This villain is so powerful that he’s essentially unkillable because there are infinite versions of his throughout the multiverse.

Doug: oh tell me more

This villain has an interesting motivation, and he already won and conquered the entire multiverse and ruled it as a god.

Doug: who is this amazing–are you listening to me?

No…what were you saying?

Doug: who is this amazing sound guy?

This is Kang the Conquer.

Doug [disappointed]: Oh

A villain who had the makings of the MCU’s best villain. And yet…. somewhere along the way, Kang lost all of his momentum. Somehow, the Darth Vader of the Multiverse saga was demoted to Snoke.

And this is made far more egregious after the introduction of the High Evolutionary in Guardians of the Galaxy vol 3, a villain who’s easily one of the MCU’s best.

Doug: So why Kang isn’t as good as him?

Well let me see if I can explain what went wrong with Kang, what Marvel is doing wrong, and attempt to fix this broken multiversal boy. And I think there is a way for Kang to be one of the best MCU villains. Now, next I – (on phone)

Doug: what are you doing on your phone?

Now, back to Kang. So, one thing before we start.
The Jonathan Majors real-life situation has nothing to do with the Kang problems. That stuff is very serious and still ongoing, so let’s focus only on the character the actor is portraying.

Alright, there are 4 major problems with Kang. So let’s go over each one of them, and then how Marvel can learn from these mistakes and fix Kang.

When the MCU initially introduced us to Kang, he was presented as the most powerful being we have ever seen in this franchise.

He’s a multiversal ruler who literally lives in a castle that observes time itself.

He knows it all, he has seen it all. And he manipulates time basically like a god.
He even has the tech that turns the Infinity Stones into [paper weights].

This is a very good introduction.

This Kang is He Who Remains. One of many variants of Kang.

Doug: Variants?

Those are other versions of people from other universes.

This persona explains that eons ago he won a multiversal war against all the other Kangs. He saved reality from his variants by erasing them and their timelines from existence. So this one Kang has already killed all the other Kangs.

After winning the war, he created a new separate universe called the sacred timeline. He ruled every moment in time. He literally had a script for everything that happened and will happen.

He enforced the timeline to ensure that his variants will never return to threaten the multiverse.

Doug: I miss the days when a purple guy just wanted to collect a bunch of colorful magic rocks

Yes, the multiverse worldbuilding is very ambitious compared to the Infinity Saga. At times too ambitious for its own good, to the point it becomes tediously convoluted storytelling.


During this Kang’s long exposition dump, he keeps telling Loki and Sylvie about the dangers of his variants. How they are far worse than him, and how they’re the true threat to the multiverse.

And we eventually meet one of these other personas in Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania.

This variant is Kang the Conqueror. That was confirmed by Marvel.

In his initial introduction, Kang appears as a truly menacing and fascinating villain.

In those conversations with Janet, we can see that this is a multi-layered character, someone who’s motivated by a misguided god complex to save reality from himself.

The scene when Kang meets Scott and Cassie, and basically force-pushes everyone - gave me some Darth Vader vibes. I really love this Kang in these two scenes.

But then, it all starts falling apart.

[spritvio]

It seems like everyone changed their tune towards Kang. A couple of months ago, everyone said he was the best part of Quantumania, and they wanted to see more of him. That was the general consensus anyway.

[lg]

I do agree with He Who Remains being revealed as Kang Prime since he already did what is needed to be done to win the Multiversal war. Rewatching Loki S01 has made me realized this besides watching this video. Also HWR has that silent but deadly vibes especially when he was speaking with Loki and Sylvie in a comical tone then converting to a more serious and menacing one.

Though Kang in Ant Man must be given a chance since he might be the one destined to be HWR in the first place and letting them believe that he was beaten was all part of his plan.

[Regret]

Im actually surprised Disney doesn't hire people like you. The way you explain every detail and scenario that should've/shouldn't happen that could ruin or make the film great are so amazing I mean brains like your's should work on the marvel/mcu/disney/whatever something like this.

[MRbug_]

The thing that makes Thanos better than our current Kang.

Is that we're shown Thanos defeat the majority of the avengers multiple times, while we're told Kang has killed the avengers multiple times, but we're just told this.

We definitely should've seen Kang kill the avengers in flashbacks and even see thing like Moljner, caps shield, Hawkeyes bow, etc in his chamber

[BeecroftA]

I especially like the idea that the Avengers discovering time travel is the key to Kang having existed in the first place. Because then, what if the only way to stop all versions of him for good is to prevent the discovery of time travel, and hence undo the returning of all the people snapped away by Thanos? What an ultimatum that would be.

[daeeller]

There should’ve been a special presentation on the four main variants backstories & how Kang was exiled from the council.. I feel like we just got a repeat of what He Who Remains already explained.

[kevincraigmile]

I think what they might be going for, is that the true threat of Kang is that he is not just one. The lesser Kang’s wear down our characters and then the lead Kang’s step in and mop up.
And then, He Who Remains appears and finishes off all his variants.

[OurKindofEntertainment]

The thing is He Who Remains is the Kang who won. Basically, the MCU showed us the villain after he already accomplished his goal. Any Kang we see after the Loki finale is a Kang that has yet to win the multiversal war. Sure, we'll see some losses along the way.

When you really think about it, Avengers: Endgame did the same thing with Thanos. You just have to forget about his appearances in post-credit scenes, Guardians 1 & Infinity War.

I mean imagine if the first we saw of Thanos was the retired titan picking food from his garden and then he got killed when Thor chopped his head off. Then the next Thanos was the one from what 2012 or 2014? That one lost at the end of the movie. We'd be talking trash about Thanos the same way we would be now with Kang.

[dawanlloyd]

I think 1 think that could help restore Kang is if The Kang Dynasty opens with the Kang from Antman coming back and literally killing the entire counsel of Kangs and the power core that sucked him up is bonded to his suit and has granted him immense power.

[miwakenster]

Kang's suit was destroyed by the ants. Didn't his powers come from his suit? I think they more or less established that in Janet's flash back

[PercyMiller]

Blame the Writers for Not Using his time Chair, Barely using any tech, Weapons other than his gauntlets and blue Blast, and also thank them for not going with the original script and have him escape.

[yusufanbarfirdausi]

"I mean, think about this" that moment when Ryan Arey outsmarted a whole Marvel screenwriters

[flystevejobs]

Marvel had a golden opportunity to go to an alternate world that was about to be destroyed by an incursion and show the impact... make a one off movie that shows alternate versions of heroes being decimated by Kang so it adds weight to what is going on... hell, they could do a 90 minute special like they did with Werewolf by Night

[courtneylinn]

I miss cerebral villains. I am so sick of battle sequences being the most important part of a movie. It’s tired. I had high hopes for Kang, and I sincerely do hope it gets fixed.

[TwinRiver]

I like the idea of He Who Remains being the Ultimate Big Bad. The Victor Timely idea has promise as one of the installments of him. But I think they could potentially go further. Like maybe what if they got the youngest version of him aka Iron Lad at one point. He fights one of the variants with The Young Avengers or The Champions, is forced to return to the future. And somehow the various interactions the MCU characters have with He Who Remains over the course of the saga eventually determines how the Multiverse Saga ends. Like will they get Ultimate Conquer Kang or will they get Who Remains and bring things back to the loop the close things again albeit slightly differently in the unified timeline with new characters like The X-Men and other characters that might exist from other timelines that might've been rescued from the Incursions.

side note: i think i remember seeing a title for Avengers Incursion a year or two ago. but I think what i saw was probably one of those fan titles that people make that easily get spread around and hyped a bunch without knowing the true source that some people take as gospel as an actual thing.

[opineismyname]

I’d like for Kang to show up in random movies at the end. Just randomly pop in through a portal, whoop the hero’s ass after they just had to deal with their movie’s main villain, damn near kill them, and then he just leaves. Like Edge in WWE when John Cena just won the elimination chamber.

[blupunk]

I think a big problem with showing all the Kang variants in the Council of Kangs is that even members of the audience who've never heard of it understand the trope known as the Conservation of Ninjutsu. That's a term that, unsurprisingly, comes from martial arts movies. If the martial arts movie hero is walking down the street and a single ninja emerges from the shadows, we've been conditioned to understand that we're about to see an epic fight where the hero, even if they win, will struggle and suffer to do so. However, if in that same scene suddenly thirty ninjas emerge from every shadow and sewer and rooftop, we understand that the hero is going to easily plow right through them, often taking individuals out with a single punch or kick.

[indatube]

He Who Remains was behind the highly advanced Ants tech. He needed his younger self to fall in order to set him on the course to being He Who Remains.

[leecrockford]

I have to disagree. I still think Kang is gonna top all the villains we have seen so far. I also think Kang didn't have his full power in the Quantum Realm. Janet even says when she is explaining to Hope and Hank that she already gave him to much back. His suit. So I think if he escaped his tech would level him up. Once he got access to it. He could basically teleport like He Who Remained. Obviously he can freeze people in time. Like he did with Janet. I do agree that He Who Remains is the real threat and Kang "losing" is all part the plan. I think that Kang got sucked into the beyond and this is where he discovered Aliath then once he has learnt how to escape the beyond he returns as He Who Remains.

[ronnyandernie]

Having not been a deep cut Marvel reader Thanos was set up well to my eyes. He was teased and the infinity stones were carefully introduced and intertwined among all the characters so the Infinity War felt inevitable and satisfying. The Kang saga jumped the shark.