Why OW2's PvE Fails, But TF2's MvM Succeeds

It's come to this. Talking about OW's shortcomings...again...If only we hadn't been promised promising things for YEARS, only to have the rug pulled out from under us 3 months before the release of OW2's PvE...

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0:00 - 1:07 - Cold Open
1:08 - 3:00 - Introduction
3:01 - 3:34 - What is PvE?
3:35 - 6:13 - OW2's PvE & TF2 MvM
6:14 - 7:03 - Topic Clarification
7:04 - 7:22 - What makes a PvE Replayable?
7:23 - 13:15 - Variety
13:16 - 19:00 - Rewarding
19:01 - 21:09 - Accessibility
21:10 - 23:23 - Conclusion

[SkyminSlash]

Mistake Acknowledgement:
- Oil Spill was not the first Mann Up tour, it was Steel Trap.

I also completely forgot Destiny 2 was *technically* F2P. Probably because they have several $30 expansions and I always associated the series with having an entry price tag.

[zu]

Mostly because tf2 players doesnt need to wait 2+years for them to announce we are being lied to about every promise they made

[MormonDude]

Man Blizzard being so bad at their job that they bring Skymin back from the dead is truly incredible.

[yt-rudv]

Imagine those two people who are still working at TF2 after 16 years those guys must be so dedicated

[Bluepenguin]

9:13 "By allowing creativity you instantly gain replayability" i really really liked this sentence, its so true and today's AAA developers don't realize this imo

[Lu]

This is the first time ever i see that the tf2 community just stops, looks at ow2 and goes "i feel you mann"

[Koppudoragon]

Not saying it will happen but imagine the universe where Valve used this as a chance to release MVM content just to poke the bear.

[NinjaMan]

Valve is unmotivated and takes forever to deliver new content but when they deliver they actually put effort into it.

[alleosussquirt]

Don't forget, MvM has charity events every couple of months run by the community, with community made maps, and community made challenge. It's something OW2 can NEVER have because they just don't care about community.

[icetide]

As a TF2 player who never got into overwatch, I feel bad for the overwatch community. We might never get updates, but at least we aren't promised updates that then get ripped away from us. That sounds like it hurts about ten times more

[Dr_Martex]

Man, Blizzard just keeps killing OW2, every other week, we hear about their latest blunder or cheap marketing tactic that blew up in the exec's faces.
Where as valve have only given MvM three updates in total, including it's introduction, and it's still considered better by most sane people.

[DereC]

Overwatch PVE: Heroes fighting evil robots to save the world from doom

TF2 PVE: Ragtag bunch of mercenaries beating up robots for the money they drop and because some half naked guy on a TV told them to

[arizonaranger]

I think something Valve always does amazingly is promise nothing and you’ll always over-deliver. The only time I feel like they put something in a commercial or cinematic is when they’ve already developed it or it’s something that’s easy to commit to. Anytime they scrap or change something they completely swing in the opposite direction so even though we never got the hyper realistic gritty tf2 we were initially promised the goofy game we got is still extremely influential and a great game.

[a]

The funniest thing is that both modes took about the same amount of time to develop, but MvM was eventually released

[belmontzar]

There is one extra thing I want to highlight from MVM's Mann Up and its an important detail.
You know how you need a ticket to play the mode?
The ticket doesn't get used until THE MISSION is completed.
Did your server of players decide "F-ck this im out?" Well good news your ticket is still there. Losing the match or squad rage quitting doesn't steal money from your wallet. It just cost maybe an hour of your time wasted trying to keep your team ali- WHY DID YOU JUMP INTO THE HORDES?
-cough- sorry... had a... moment... but yes the Tour of Duty ticket you bought doesn't vanish unless the mission is completed.

[dapidizme]

Damn. The ending actually made me a mixture of sad and nostalgic. Haven’t played TF2 seriously in a while, but every single point you made was perfect. Great video

[DiegoHernandez-spms]

I thought PvE meant Player vs enemy or Player vs evil but hearing that it's called player vs environment makes much more sense

[Evamme]

Sad thing is is that we have seen what the OW2 PvE would have been like through Deep Rock Galactic, it literally contains everything that was promised for the original PvE and it is amazing. it shows that if they had put more focus onto it then we could have gotten that original vision.

[SloMoMonday]

Snowball Mei is a symbol of everything we wanted, everything lost and a stark reminder of the absolute pittance that was gained. So long my precious rolly angel, you were too good for this industry.

[lolzism]

I think the main issue that people forgot when it came to OW2 was that it was supposed to be a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GAME. It was not supposed to override the $60 OW1 with a free to play, pay-to-win, gutted out bastardization of what the original was.