Do gay couples (truly) love each other?

What does it mean to love the same sex? In this video we're gonna take a closer look at the Catholic Church's teaching on homosexuality and same sex attraction. In particular, we're going to dive into the meaning of the word "love" and how our culture misuses it to describe same-sex relationships.

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[killianmiller]

I’m reminded of how some people think Frodo and Sam are gay because they hug and look at each other. It seems that intense platonic fraternity has been twisted to entail sexual attraction. Two men/women CAN love each other in deep and profound ways and it need not be sexual.

[davidmezainis]

Regardless of your sexual orientation love is on the heart not on the genitals

[Scottsteaux]

My husband and I have been married for twenty years. Meeting him brought meaning to my life that I never had before. I am not interested in the opinions of a man who buries his head neck deep in his own behind.

[NF-imwq]

Your never going to get rid of a person's attraction to the same sex

[JelmerPiek]

So basically he says, you can only love someone (truly) love someone if you have sex with the other. But one of you should have a penis and the other a vagina and there should be new life at the end.

So all other people including heterosexuals who can't birth a child, do not love each other truly.

What about two people in a friendship who love each other so deeply they would die for each
other?
(Jesus says there's no greater love then a friend giving up his live for the other)

This is such a hurtful message for a lot of people.

[DanielFernandez-jvjx]

To me this sounds like weak moral theology as excuse for discrimination against homosexual persons. Sorry, but you can do all the fancy intellectual dancing you want, but two men or two women are capable of loving each other with the same depth, generosity and faithfulness as any heterosexual couple. And yes, it can be expressed genitally and safely as well. And no, this business of "openness to the creation of life" is a hypocritical double standard. The Catholic church will marry heterosexual couples that are past child bearing age. The church also recognizes that the generativity of straight couples can be expressed in other ways besides having children. Additionally, the early church fathers were not united in the opinion that all sex in heterosexual marriage must be for procreation. So, all in all to use these ideas to dehumanize homosexual persons is a hypocritical double standard. What is understood as gay marriage in our day, simply did not exist in the days the Bible was written. There was no concept of this, even in the late classical era. There is no passage about homosexuality in the Bible that could possibly refer to same sex marriage, and gay Christians are not claiming any special exemption from prohibitions against, rape, fornication or adultery. And as far as the Adam and Eve story are concerned, the church has managed to deal with new moral challenges and to respond to them. Just because it isn't in the Bible does not make it wrong. So really what this comes down to is centuries of prejudice that has been rationalized by theology. The German bishops have it right: the Church's moral theology is medieval and is causing needless suffering to millions. Please stop rationalizing it, and instead, do something more constructive by demanding of our leaders to address these inconsistencies and hypocrisies.

[lanisolfire]

Marrage and divorce statistics would dissagree with you since gay men have the lowest divorce rates

[Mr.happy]

Wait... How do you know it's not "real"
You are straight right? So how do you know what being gay is like?

[jamesrobiscoe]

Yes, sexual organs have the special ability to start creating new persons, but who has the audacity to decree that is their ONLY purpose? We have mouths that are used primary to eat but we use them to speak, to breathe, to kiss... It's illogical nonsense to restrict the multiple uses of our bodies, as it is of the mind, the heart, the soul... We have the imperative to love in all its forms.

[keith.anthony.infinity.h]

My husband has been ridiculed and told by his friends to leave me because I am gay. Yet he stayed by my side. We received death threats and etc. because we are in relationship with each other. He loved me so much to the point of him cutting off his homophobic friends and homophobic family for me. He literally sold his entire house, car, and everything he had until he became homeless just to get money to see me and start a new life with me from his home country over 2, 000 miles away.

He has unhesitatingly done things for me most people would think twice about doing for their partner.

So as a gay person in a relationship do not tell me gay people cannot love each other and it is lust. You have no idea what it means to love as a gay man. We do not have to prove that we can love each other to your heterosexual satisfaction. We actually have to fight for our love whereas your love is given to you on a silver platter as a heterosexual person.

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Reply to Killian:

Male and female was not created. Sex is something which evolved over time. Yes they can reproduce with each other. But just because you can produce with someone does not mean you should now be romantically/sexually involved with them. That is not the reality of what we observe.

I never said two male men can have children together. But the way still can have kids brought surrogacy and sperm donation. Nature is not a fool it knows the difference between vaginal sexual intercourse and achievement of sexual reproduction.

Also homosexuality is not an imitation of heterosexuality. It is different from heterosexuality. Same sex acts between males does imitate what a woman feels like, you want to know why? Because they are male men of the same sex not females/women.

Same sex acts are a form of sexual intercourse specifically anal and oral. Also yes you are right same sex acts are not sex in the sense of heterosexual activity. But once again this goes back to your bias of comparing homosexuality to heterosexuality when they are two separate phenomenon. Another thing genital stimulation is a form of sexual intercourse. Stimulation can be by self (e.g., masturbation) or by a sexual partner (sexual intercourse or other sexual activity), by use of objects or tools, or by some combination of these methods.

Source: Wikipedia, [6] Based on "masturbation" in Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, Eleventh Edition, Merriam-Webster, Inc., 2003

Gay people do not use the male-female dynamic. What exactly do you mean by that? Gay people use sexual reproduction. Sexual reproduction is distinct from sexual intercourse, sexuality, and etc. I think you are confusing all three as the same when they are not. You do not have to be in a romantic/sexual connection to reproduce children. It all goes back to what you said as long as you have a sperm cell, egg cell, and a place for the zygote to grow sexual reproduction is achievable. Using IVF and sperm donation does not erase the fact you are gay meaning you still have exclusive romantic/sexual attraction to the same sex. Also I would like to point out some heterosexual couples are indefinitely infertile and cannot have biological children together at all. So for them it is an impossibility.

Para 5 response: How do gay people contribute to society?

They have children and sexually reproduce. Also they contribute to the economy. Compared to the heterosexual community homosexual male men couples have a lower rate of divorce, less cases of domestic abuse, and etc.

Source: rgfamilylaw.com

Same sex couples are better at raising children while attending school.

Source: University of Oxford

You want to know what is more important than family in terms of society. Connection between people in the society itself. So if a heterosexual couple financially and medically take care of each other does that mean they are platonic friends too, or are they actually a couple who take care of each other because they may actually love each other so they decided to be in union together? Why is it different for a homosexual couple who takes care of each other because they genuinely love one another? Homosexual communities influence heterosexual communities in ways such as lesser competition for a heterosexual person to find a mate because they are not heterosexually inclined, reproduction because some gay people reproduce people who turn out to be heterosexual also in terms of science some great scientists were actually homosexually inclined. They made discoveries which influence us today.

Also in what ways do homosexuals remaining single benefit society?

Honestly after listening to you I would say your valid are filled with discriminatory bias because you constantly compare homosexuals to a heterosexual lifestyle which is ignorant. It is ignorant because we are not authentically heterosexual meaning we will never fit into the heterosexual lifestyle. We can pretend to be heterosexual but that is not real. It is a lie and as I said pretending.

[lours]

It is not enough to provide reasoned argument for heterosexual normalcy. What is the vision for those with homosexual orientation to live out their life as Christians? The Catechism states that 'they do not choose their condition..' and the Church generally agrees that they cannot change their orientation. It has to be more than just be a list of 'don't's. There has to be a positive vision for life and concrete welcome and support. How about a video on that?

[Pk-wutl]

Instead of seeing sex as only between man and woman. Open your mind to the benefits of same sex activity. Closeness, bonding, a deeper spiritual love. If it can exist between opposite sex it can exist between the same.

[Pro-jq]

I WISH TO EVERY GAY/LESBIAN TO FIND A LOVING SAME SEX PARTNER, MARRY AND MAYBE RAISE KIDS IN RESPONSIBILITY.

[skulldar]

There are tons of straight couples that are unable to have children, but they can still love each other. Also, the majority of people have sex for a romantic connection, or just pleasure, that's the way people are. You can't speak about people's experiences and whether or not they love their partner because you haven't been in their shoes, and even then what does it matter to you? Who are you to judge, and why should it even bother you in the first place? Please just live and let live

[markcharron]

So does this mean gay people who can not be made to be attracted to the opposite sex can never experience the "two becoming one flesh as a living sign of the eternal life giving love of the Trinity"? Does this mean that an attraction to the opposite sex is a requirement for a human being to ever be able to experience the renewal of their sexual desire as such that it mirrors the Love of the Trinity? So gay people can't ever be united with God then because they can't be made attracted to the opposite sex? I mean, just how important is it to be sexually attracted to the opposite sex?

Please answer.

[Rimatio]

How bizarre that love is so very, very centered on biological reproduction and organs. Homosexuality is not an activity, it was and always will be a form of affection and love.

[kentfrederick]

A whole lot of heterosexual couples have gotten married and not been "head over heels" in love. I know one woman who said on the day of the wedding, that divorce was always an option.

A friend of mine told me not to care if a girl was the right party or religion or liked sports. Just marry a good person.

Fortunately, I ignored that advice. I know men whose relationships soured, in part, because their wives feigned interest in sports or music, and then flipped after the wedding.

You have to think that 2 gay men or women who have similar views on issues ranging from baseball teams to the discipline of children will have the kind of love that a heterosexual couple who got married solely because of looks and bedroom performance won't.

[lizardbreath]

So sad. Poor guy is just afraid. You can hear in his voice he is lying and knows it.

[nodnarb]

I’ve been with my husband since we were 18 years old. We celebrate 18 years together this month. We’re monogamous and are pretty boring. But more in love every day. Meanwhile I’ve witnessed five marriages come and go between my dad, my brother and my sister. We’re the normal, stable ones.

What we do with our genitals is between us 🤷🏻‍♂️

[chrismnutone]

Imagine the shock if you discover your son or daughter turns out gay. (Hold your breath)