AMD Ryzen 9600X/9700X - Zen 5 Reviews Controversy!

[Melsharpe]

"Here's the thing..." - Richard Leadbetter, delivering bad news.

[waaghals]

The 9700x has only mildly more performance than the 7700 non-X and the same power consumption. It cost notably more and does not come with a cooler. It is a product for no one.

[SaccoBelmonte]

To me the 60W power envelope and the big AVX uplift indicates these are basically for datacenters.

[MichalChojnowski]

Do I understand correctly that DF is coming back to CPU testing? Totally love it!

[mikem]

AMD straight up lied about the performance of Ryzen 9000.

[krazyolie]

Amd basically released a bunch of server chips and gamers got annoyed.

[BruceLeedar]

I am curious to see how the X3D pans out, assuming any efficiency gains help to permit higher clocks.

[crimson]

I want to see the 9600G in action. If it matches an RX 580 in GPU performance and with IPC improvement, AVX512 instructions and low power consumption to boot it would be amazing for an emulation box. It might even do current generation AAA gaming at 720P.

[atirta]

9700X isn't that efficient at 65W. Only about 7% performance increase over the 65W R7 7700 (Not talking about gaming). *However*, weirdly the efficiency gains are quite substantial at 105W, or even 170W TDP (230W PPT), yielding up to 30% more performance over the 7700X at 170W TDP, so shipping the 9700X at least at 105W would've been more optimal. Weird choices AMD, weird choices...

[MrErball]

Do your own cpu tests please, you sold me on an r5 3600 ages ago, and that level of detail (without being GN OCD), is the perfect approach to cpu testing for gamers.

[TKSSLCHN]

11:30 I'm glad you made the point about how representative CPU benchmarks even are.
While upgrading my system, I had a few weeks where I ran an RTX 4090 with an i5-11600K. While playing Cyberpunk Overdrive, TW:WH3 and the new raytraced Satisfactory update at 1440p, I didn't come across a single situation where I was meaningfully CPU-limited. I only managed to push it into 90% load in situations in which the GPU was at its limit as well and framerates remained well over 100. You have to really dig into very specific situations (or Flight Sim) to be able to benchmark gaming CPUs at all.

I ended up going with an i5-13600KF to finish my upgrade (in part because I wanted to get more memory and therefore wanted to move from DDR4 to DDR5) and sell off my prior build as a complete system and never came to regret that. Except for the whole general Intel fiasco of course.

So I generally find CPU updates extremely unattractive right now.

[rodrigorras]

Well when you see Phoronix Linux benches (Ubuntu 24.04LTS, kernel 6.10), where 9950X is 17.8% faster compared to 7950X and 9900X gains 21.5% vs 7900X and see how even 7Zip improves by 8.9% compared to Zen4, you know its actually Windows11 that is holding Zen5 back.

[bodasactra]

I have a banging 5600X3D/6750XT/MSI MEG Unify B550 gaming rig built entirely of parts I acquired at unbelievably low prices. No way the newer gens are even close to compelling me to pay for an entire rebuild over keeping this beast of a value build I am both proud of and satisfied with. Its great to know it will relevant in gaming for years to come with a simple GPU upgrade, easily over a decade on the same platform. AM4 is easily the GOAT of all DIY PC tech.

[AG-xzne]

A lot of emulators use AVX512 Xenia, Vita3k, and RPCS3 could benefit the most since they are the hardest to run. Yuzu and Citra use AVX512 but run well enough already, IMO. This is a neich high-end use case, however.

[posmoo]

they turned the 700x 8-core part from a 105-watt part to a 65-watt part. as a 105-watt part it's an answer to the intel midrange i5-13600k with the capability to do some productivity work, once the price drops a bit. but they didn't market that way so it's a cpu for no one. I think 9700x was originally planned to take on the i5-14600k but they chickened out after intel's stability problems.
Yall know Skatterbencher? he does overclocking with an AIO just messing around with an ASUS bios & he gets his 9700x up 5.85mhz all core & a 1443 score on cinebench r24 which is within spitting distance of my 7900x which also has pbo enabled (but not the dozens of granular changes he makes) and scores 1571. that's extremely impressive to me. just that it's possible. I think the 9700x will be appreciated in the future. I think there was a world where they could have opened this thing all the way up like intel did with 14th gen & they were planning to do it but they got scared by intel's disaster.

[VoldoronGaming]

There has a been a lot of all over the place reviews. In some games at 1080p low the 9700x is 20% faster than same resolution at ultra settings. Now isn’t that a bit strange?

[Zoolookuk]

Side note, Zen 5 is really very good in laptops. The Ryzen 9 AI HX370 (quite the name) is fantastic, easily beating out Intel Ultra, Qualcomm's efforts and the prior 7040, with better battery life and a bump in graphics with the 890m.

[davidcollier]

The 9600X and 9700X are replacements for the 7600 and 7700 non x cpus. They are also 65w cpus but come with heatsinks. They did this to sell them at a higher price but also without heatsinks. I won't be surprised if AMD releases 9600x+ and 9700x+ CPUs that have 125 watt TDP that are the true successors to the 7600x and 7700x

[VicharB]

I am on 7700 with PBO+settings=> 7700X and will wait for Zen 6 X3D for next jump.

[HenrikoMagnifico]

10% increase in productivity performance is still good