I created PERFECT twin Wonderkids in FM23

Welcome to TomFM! In today's Football Manager 2023 experiment video I created Perfect twin Wonderkids in FM23 placing one at Boston United in the English National League North and the other at La Liga giants, Real Madrid.

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[stephenmason]

Well, the extremely early transfer to a massive club kind of axed the original intent of the experiment but we still learned a few things. My main takeaway was just how quickly and reliably physical attributes develop and how long they stay viable.

[harrykay]

What about an experiment comparing goalkeepers with perfect attributes but one very small and other very tall. See which one does better.

[XanderUtd]

Perfect. This show me that there is significant improvement in attributes with training and playing. Just like in real life. When you play as a youngster you learn and improve

[joaopires]

The reason why he doesn't look like he's got 199 CA is because he's two footed. Improving their weak foot ability increases their CA A LOT for some reason.

[navireversed]

The #1 wonderkid has Professional personality, while the #2 wonderkid is Light-Hearted, that's big in this kind of scenario of development. I think you should make the wonderkids the same personality and base Determination attribute (or at least just the same personality)

[WelziFC]

Imagine being the Boston Utd wonderkid and your brother is the one that gets picked up by Madrid but you two are the exact same player. Talk about a sibling rivalry

[jonathanthomas]

I think one of the hidden issues in the experiment is the registration limits. I wouldn't have picked a La Liga team due to the restrictive non EU slots. I would have had three wonderkids. One in Boston Utd, One at PSV and One at Bayern Munich. Where the fact that the kids aren't competing with every player not in the EU for a roster spot. I think all the experienced FM players would have deduced that Real Madrid would have been an incredibly difficult squad to break into not having Next Gen 50 ability at 18, because the game produces a lot of those every year

[linkodude]

Should have shown their team trophy pages! Wonder if WK1 propelled United to titles, or maybe he wasn’t enough

[JCDSPC]

The B-teams in Portugal were an amazing boon. Obviously we're magnitudes more top heavy than English football, by this I mean we have 4 competitive clubs and the rest has no chance, so the fact that they could place their young talent competing against 2nd league pros did wonders for these kids' development. We can almost pinpoint the surge of Portuguese youth teams to that exact moment. I thought they were great for us.

[Dylan-ymfc]

You need to look at the club honours each earned. As in real life, the Balon D'or and other individual awards are usually given to the best player from the team that won the big trophies and it's likely Real were more successful

[Nosstalja]

It looked to me like WK2 was getting paid 100-150k more per week, which is significant over a career. WK2 also winning 2 Balon d'Ors would make his marketability significantly more too, which translates to more endorsements and more income. WK2 clear winner in football and in life, in my eyes.

[ROLLYROLLER]

What if you do a experiment where a Defence has perfect striker stats and a striker has perfect Defence stats ¿Will they change positions by time passes or they will stay?

[koncorde]

On attributes, going back to CM01/02 they changed the way ability worked all but preventing the perfect 20 player. I can't remember the exact mechanic used (weighting was introduced), but effectively it averaged out players preventing extremes. This deflated attributes in the early versions of CM4 (causing the attribute loss saw in 03/04 which ruined the game after a few seasons) and subsequent FM, but also meant players who had some real stinking attributes were at an immediate advantage because they could have higher peaks elsewhere (and continue improving those through focused training while neglecting others). When preferred moves, new positional training and so was introduced it really started to muddy the water on how attributes were then rated for a player (was it still by main position?).

Still remember when you'd get a 16 year old Man Utd youth player released at the beginning of the game on 01/02 I think, Poole? He was low reputation so didn't load each time the game came on, but he had 20 finishing and rubbish stats elsewhere - but he'd run riot in lower league for £20 a week.

[theon__]

6:08 the B team system is terrible everywhere excapt ouer in Germany. We had second teams too and its so great to have it and it works very well especaly the SC Freiburgs second team

[Hushyluv]

You'd also have to look at how their respective teams did, when considering individual awards.

[bungaIowbill]

Very interesting! Maybe you can do an experiment where you give Man United perfect players at every position from all of the top footballing nations, and see how the award committees rate them? There's bound to be lots of CL and WC wins, so they ought to win basically everything. If there are still zero Ballon d'Ors in that scenario, then clearly it is club-related...

[andreanecchi]

Could you try a similar thing but with players on different continents?, or one player from each continent for another experiment, you put them in the team that in every continent has the best facilities

[explosive]

If you can do a 16 team world cup on FM23, please do a world cup with teams that have qualified only once for the world cup.
There are only 18 teams who have qualified once and I'd love to see it.

[lewisjenkins]

Pfft, those lads are ridiculous. Twins, 1 brother holds the record for Manchester United appearances, the other would likely hold the record for Real Madrid, only 6 off Rauls. Awesome experiment!

[roscomc]

Nice experiement. While WK1 had a good career, WK2 ended up with a bigger bank balance, a villa in La Moraleja and another villa in La Finca next to Ronaldo.