UNMASKING the MYTH of Calvinism in ROMANS 9 | Leighton Flowers

Dr. Leighton Flowers talk with @RTHenry83 about the context of Romans 9 and why it doesn't teach Calvinism. When properly understood, Romans 9 is a dichotomy of a faith vs. works rather than predestined to heaven vs. predestined to hell. Paul is not teaching Calvinism...

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[Just_a_Reflection]

I was an unintentional Calvinist until my supervisor, who is coincidentally a well learned associate pastor, began gently showing me the discrepancies in my faith. Two days later, I was led to this channel, to which he, unbeknownst to me, already subscribes😅! I have shed every petal of the TULIP from my belief. Thank you, Dr. Flowers. And, if you are reading this, Eric, Thank you, sir.

[CynVee]

Never tire of listening to Dr. Flowers explain Romans 9. Thank you brother.

[lindsaysimplified]

My favorite thing about the interviewer is I can’t tell what his leaning is theologically (I’ve not watched his videos and had never heard of him until this), but he lets you present provisionism fairly, doesn’t interrupt and isn’t trying to straw man you. I love that. What a great interviewer.

[caleb.lindsay]

Leighton, i just really hope you know how grateful I am, and i'm sure soooo many others are, for your channel. this is like reading Romans for the first time, and not in the "this is totally new!" sense but in the "it all finally makes sense!" sense. God bless you, sir.

[andrewjackson]

Thankyou so much Leighton! Your insight in Calvinism and Biblical passages used to support that view have been immeasurably helpful

[johnbanman]

Hey brother Leighton,
Just want to take a minute to thank you for these teachings, they have been a tremendous help in understanding God. I point all my Calvinistic brothers to these videos.

[calebcrawford]

I'm so glad God lead me out of Calvinism. It smears His holy nature and character. It makes Him out to be a cosmic dictator Who really doesn't want everyone to be saved. He really isn't that loving if He predetermines for people to go to Hell, which means they could never have a chance to come to Him. I trust the God of the Bible, not the god of Calvinism.

[gracebest]

The Elder shall SERVE the younger.... It does NOT say the Elder is damned and the younger is saved. That idea is NOT in the text. It is an error imported by Calvinists.

[jfast]

In Romans 9, the part where Paul says “what if God endured….” It destroys Calvinism, this point never is brought up. It would be like me telling my son to be naughty, and then him being naughty and I would be enduring his naughtiness…it only makes sense if I endure my sons naughtiness, by his own decision to be naughty. Obviously God is infinitely more that me, but that’s a point I realized

[jerrystatic]

Just ordered your book the Potters Promise. Looking forward to reading it.

[stevesybesma]

Leighton, I wonder if Romans chapter 9 is what Peter referred to when he said in 2 Peter 3:16 "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." Sounds like even Peter struggled with Paul's writings. I don't feel so bad now.

[g.c.]

This is very important to understand about Romans 9:22 when Paul is explaining the hardening of Pharaoh’s heart because the Greek word katartízō is in the middle voice in the Greek language. Meaning, the vessel hardened its own heart, not God. God just allowed it to happen. God let Pharaoh have what he already wanted. There is no getting around the middle voice in the Greek.

Vines Complete Expository Dictionary on Rom. 9:22: “Of vessels of wrath; here the middle voice signifies that those referred to "fitted" themselves for destruction (as illustrated in the case of Pharaoh, the self-hardening of whose heart is accurately presented in the RV in the first part of the series of incidents in the Exodus narrative, which records Pharaoh's doings…”

[BrandonGray]

Leighton, As Ishmael refers to the children of the flesh, children of the bondwoman, Esau also is a part of this allegorical equation. For he sold his birth right for a bowl of soup and lost the blessing because God had chosen before the lads were born. Esau too is representative of the children according to the flesh. It is an Old Testament motif.

[g.c.]

A person can’t lose their salvation (John 5:24). But a believer can in fact lose their reward that is given at the Bema Seat of Christ (2 Cor. 5:10; 2 Jn. 1:8; 1 Cor. 3:14). The author of Hebrews uses Esau as an example for already saved people; exhorting them not to fall away and lose their inheritance (reward) as Esau did (Heb. 12:15-17). Which means, Esau was saved.

[brandilee]

Hey Dr Flowers I was wondering and maybe you already have a video on this but there seem to be several places in The Gospel of John where Jesus speaks of those the Father gives him. Could you do a video and speak to that and why it’s not calvinism?

[TheRomansGuy]

Did you ever see my interview with Kevin Thompson on the tie between Paul’s symbology reversal in Galatians 4 and what Paul dries throughout Romans 9?

[kevinrtres]

No matter what Leighton says - there's no escaping the real issue: God is sovereign and GOD CHOOSES. Period.
Where is all the provisionist dogma to be found in the bible?

[JJFrance]

I agree...men have free will but God will mold events and determine the outcome according to His purpose...all things come together for good to those who love the Lord...and the way of the ungodly shall perish.

[Zb-uobl]

You make an awesome point, The Potter, Father God, is a perfect potter. He did "mar it"! And potters know how to slake the clay and reform it!

[virginiahernandez]

CHRIST IS KING stay united CHRISTIANS . I never understood why churches who believe in JESUS dont unite but we have to in theses days. STOP CHRISTIAN DIVISION