Messianic Rabbi SHREDS Once Saved Always Saved Theology @RadarApologetics

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Messianic Rabbi SHREDS Once Saved Always Saved Theology
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I take comfort in knowing that my salvation is not dependent on me, and that no matter the low valleys of my spiritual walk. The God that saves me will keep me 😢

rogervincent
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The guy says “you can be born again but lose the Holy Spirit” but jesus says, “the father’s will is that I would not lose even one of those he has given me”

nick__jackie
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The only reason I believe once saved always saved is because of my life experience. I got saved at 17. But I ran HARD from God for 13 years. And when I finally came back to Him I realized He really was there the whole time. It's never been dependent on us but what He did. " We love Him because He first loved us. " 😌🙏

burgersbiblesaeh
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Philippians 1:6
Being confident of this, that He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus. ♥️♥️

take_that_step
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I’m just adding this tid bit to the conversation. Moses was denied entry but later seen in the promised land at the mount of transfiguration.

davidhobbs
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“I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.” John‬ ‭10‬:‭28‬

plangjidakum
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*And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. Romans 11:6*

professora
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Believing and following are two separate things. If one is a follower of Yeshua, then you are a Believer. If you are a Believer, that does not mean you are a follower. Followers allow themselves to go through the sanctification process, which is ongoing; it never ends until Jesus comes back.

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King Saul lost the Holy Spirit because he didn't have the seal promise of the Holy Spirit which meant the Holy Spirit can leave, because he was still under the old covenant, the seal promise is only under the New covenant so no we can't lose the Holy Spirit under the New covenant (Ephesians 1:13)

calvinospina
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Any Messianic Jew who is really following Yeshua will not deliberately contradict Yeshua. When the New Testament reads that Yeshua stated that nobody can snatch anyone out of Yeshua’s Hand, that’s exactly what the New Testament meant—and using the never-really-saved Sha’ul as an example to deride eternal security borders on blasphemy.

NicoleCzarnecki
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Here is the flaw in his Exodus example, Moses did not make it out of the desert either (penalty for striking the rock the second time instead of speaking to it). Do you think Moses will be in heaven? The degree of faithfulness and obedience goes to rewards, not salvation. Otherwise your faith is in a works based salvation.

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The Holy Spirit does not separate from you. You are sealed unto the day of redemption

ShamelesslyRed
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Can you lose your salvation? No. Not a chance. God’s Word is very clear.

So why are we having this discussion?

We’re having this discussion because we don’t know what makes the new covenant new. The Rabi is confusing the “we wills” of the old covenant with the “he wills” of the new. he believes that Jesus saves, but he does not know that Jesus also keeps us saved. He thinks worry we can can undo what he never earned in the first place.

He fears he can compel God to do what he said he wouldn’t.

If you are saved now you are saved eternally, God does not do partial salvations.

I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life. (John 5:24)

joemebrahtu
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I have, and if honest, continue to wrestle with this issue, w a pretty strong lean towards if I am saved (truly saved), I am saved forever. Not sure who said it, but this quote kinda keeps me in the once saved, always saved camp - "If you could lose your salvation, you would." Great discussion.

christsotsoros
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Justification is salvation. Its by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. Not by works so that none may boast. End of story.

claytonsmith
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Messianic Rabbi SHREDS saved by grace through faith and teaches it's by works?....or did I miss something?

sneakersaints
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I think all of this really boils down to how you view the Holy Spirit’s influence in your life. When someone is saved, the Holy Spirit indwells them and gives them a new heart and a new Spirit like Ezekiel prophesied. The Spirit then works in you to both desire and do the things that please God (Philippians 2:13). If God is the one that began the work, only God can actually bring it to it’s expected end. Our role is to submit and allow the Spirit to work in us rather than try to make it happen by our own efforts

carsonrorie
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It's come as you are, not stay as you are.

rogervincent
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I disagree with this guy. If you're justified as Romans discuss' then that means you have been fully pardoned and declared NOT GUILTY. Paul continues in Romans 8:1 and says "therefore" those who are in Christ are are no longer condemned. And if we who were transferred out of darkness and then into righteousness and God promises the good work he began he WILL complete because the Holy Spirit resides in a believer as a down payment, that all implies you can't lose your salvation. If God began it, the word says He WILL, not, He MIGHT finish it. If God did the work to bring us out of darkness we can't get ourselves back into darkness because Eternal Life is not something we get AFTER we die, we gain Eternal Life the moment of our conversion.

Another thing I disagree with the Rabbi is Salvation isn't something we get once we die i.e. if I run the race and die THEN I'll receive salvation. Christ said salvation was here for those who believe. We are saved, we are being saved and we will be saved. THAT is what sanctification is.

ethanplacella
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I have been saved, I shall be saved and I will be saved

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