Framework 13 (AMD & Intel) Review: One is AWESOME, the other not!

Finally, Framework delivers the full potential of AMD. Even catches Apple!

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00:00 Introduction
00:29 Framework - The Upgradeable Laptop
00:54 Introducting the Ryzen 7 7840U
03:15 Performance
04:52 Heat and Fan Noise
07:06 Battery Life & Battery Performance
08:26 Conclusion

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[JustJoshTech]

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[amitd]

framework if they keep prices reasonable they will change the laptop industry for good

[EminGT]

I'm so happy about the battery life. Finally a competitor to the newer macbooks.

[hl]

M2 MBP used 17.5 WHr of power during the 4 hours playing Netflix while the FW13 AMD used 22.57 WHr so the MBP still has efficiency advantage of roughly 29%.
However, considering the MBP uses soldered LPDDR while the FW uses socketed DDR which consumes more power, the actual difference on efficiency of the chip should be much smaller and we could consider 7840U to be in the same league as M2 in terms of energy efficiency. On top of that shorter battery life is a price I'm willing to pay for modularity and repairability as long as it's long enough for my use cases.

[phucle]

This is a big stride for Framework. I hope this company will someday be more mainstream and change the industry for the better. I did an evaluation essay on this laptop and no one in my class knew of this laptop.

[JarrodsTech]

Interesting results, it's a bit of a different story with the H series processors!

[drishalballaney]

Man I really REALLY wish framework sold in India, I would have just gotten this without any 2nd thoughts tbh

[johnpeters]

wait.... we have an x86 cpu that is both as performant AND as efficient as the leading arm one???

[martindione]

excellent review! you really nail the rhythm of the narration, combined with the concise information needed to make a good decision, kudos!

[Codyk]

Watching this on my 11th gen Framework, waiting for my batch 1 AMD upgrade kit to arrive. Already have a Cooler Master case for the old mainboard.

[Atilolzz]

Man, I was really looking forward for a AMD 7040 video by you, but comparing it to a very similar Intel (+Apple) Laptop is an amazing addition!
There are even quite affordable IdeaPad 5 Pro 14 with 7840hs which would also totally love to see your thoughts on

[EnochGitongaKimathi]

Loved the Video. Competition is alive. The 13th Gen Intel Chip is fabricated on Intel 7 which was formally 10nm Enhanced SuperFin. The AMD Ryzen 7840U is fabricated on TSMC 4nm FinFET. This is a huge advantage for AMD. It will be interesting to see how Meteor Lake will compete. Meteor Lake is a Chiplet Architecture with the CPU Cores fabricated on Intel 4 EUV. The GPU Arc Xe-LPG is on TSMC 5nm FinFET. Unlike the Intel and AMD x86_64 based CPUs, Apple M2 Pro uses the ARMv8 ISA for the CPU Cores, and is fabricated on TSMC 5nm FinFET. I enjoyed watching the video and seeing how far we have come and got really excited about the future. I just watched an early leak of the Ryzen 7 8750U, AMD's first Hybrid Architecture using 4 ZEN 5 CPU Cores and 8 ZEN 5C CPU Cores (4+8=12C/24T CPU) as well as 8 WGP RDNA 3.5 GPU. Competition is fun.

[powderypastor]

This was the review I was waiting for, I knew Josh would deliver! I'm in Batch 1 for the 7640U, can't wait for this baby to get here

[footsorebird]

I have been looking for a video comparing just these things against the different framework main board generations and this was a glorious Realization of it.

[Yusufyusuf-lhdw]

In terms of benchmarks, can you focus more on actual applications like Microsoft office suite, web browser benchmarks, adobe (photo and video editing), code compilation on GCC and Microsoft visual studio, CAD tools like Autocad and solidworks? Instead of cinebench and geekbench? That will give potential buyers a clearer picture of performance. Maybe also include frame rates for some common games.

[bryans]

Between Apple's M series chips and AMD's chips Intel has been taking quite a beating lately.

[patrickonodje]

This is an amazing laptop. Thanks for the review Josh 👍💪

[DavidTrejo]

Thanks for clarifying performance differences while on battery. This is an area where MacBooks have dominated and I’m glad AMD / Framework evened the playing field. 🤗

[buttermilktom]

I've had a a Framework 13 for over a year now. It's a 12th gen intel (they didn't sell motherboards with AMD chips when I bought it) and my main complaint is the thermal design. Spec-wise it's pretty solid for what it is and it runs really well and the modularity is amazing. Now, in Framework's defense, I'm using this laptop paired with a desktop 3070ti in a razer core x for some fairly serious gaming. For a 13 inch laptop not necessarily designed for gaming, it performs pretty well (I did throw some nice RAM and a high quality SSD in it). And I do understand that due to their extreme design constraints the thermal management had to suffer a bit. If I knew about the 16 inch laptop I would have waited for that one since it's more in line with what I'm trying to get out of this machine. All in all thought it's a fantastic product and I'm happy that this company is getting the attention that they're getting. I'm hoping for great things from them!

[magemor]

I bought my lenovo yoga slim 7 on your recommendation in 2020. It still doesn't fail to impress me today and I'm still a hardcore fan of lenovo keyboards. (I'm a computer science student btw) I have to say, if I had to buy a new one today, I'd be torn between a Framework or the latest refresh of the yoga slim 7. But I don't fortunately, so I'm hoping Framework keeps improving as fast as it is right now so that I can buy one with no remorse in the future when I need one! Also, your videos are improving at the same rate Framework does they pcs! Keep it up Josh, I officially value your opinion on laptops more than I value Linus Tech Tips's now! (No offense to them of course, big fan)