God and Science with Vernon Neppe

In this discussion, Dr. Neppe proposes connections between the Neppe-Close theoretical model of higher consciousness and reality and its implications for our understanding of the divine.
He regards the 9-dimensional quantized finite volumetric model of reality as necessarily embedded within the Infinite continuity. Our physical reality is simply part of that nine dimensional finite with us we sentient beings experiencing only components of the four ‘lower” dimensions.

Gimmel constitutes the previously unrecognized necessarily ubiquitous third component of reality (besides mass-energy). Gimmel allows for the integration of all levels of reality into one unified model and facilities the unification of mathematics at the finite quantal, macro-world and cosmological levels and infinite continuity into one reality.

00:00 Introduction
06:48 Infinity
09:37 Gimmel
15:45 Mathematics
18:55 Dark matter & energy
27:57 God
34:58 Time
37:26 Postmortem survival
43:20 Conclusion

Edited subtitles for this video are available in Russian, Portuguese, Italian, German, French, and Spanish.

New Thinking Allowed host, Jeffrey Mishlove, PhD, is author of The Roots of Consciousness, Psi Development Systems, and The PK Man. Between 1986 and 2002 he hosted and co-produced the original Thinking Allowed public television series. He is the recipient of the only doctoral diploma in "parapsychology" ever awarded by an accredited university (University of California, Berkeley, 1980). He is also the Grand Prize winner of the 2021 Bigelow Institute essay competition regarding the best evidence for survival of human consciousness after permanent bodily death.

(Recorded on August 20, 2023)

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[tomollie]

this guy is awesome, everytime he talks its like he's telling an ancient tale !!

[MrThatguy]

Both of you surpassed my expectations on this interview, pleasantly surprised. Like hearing two sages explain the nature of God

[peterdeutsch]

Interesting work. My relationship with God is usually qualified by please help me and 10 out of 10 it works.

[davidsillars]

Great to see the brilliant thinker, Dr Neppe, back here. I'd enjoyed his previous contributions and this one, very much.

[Gelameable]

Well, thank you so much for this interview gentleman. I always new somehow that the universe is about refinement of prime matter of essence into the light of consciousness by evolution of awareness.

[celt]

Wow; great to listen to this truly original thinker explaining these potential deeper layers of existence and divinity.

[Self-Duality]

Scientists are (somewhat unknowingly) studying the “empirical structure” of God.

[richardharris]

I understand what the good doctor is saying!

[AdamCook]

Thank you gents for this discussion with possibly My favourite guest.
As I listen to Dr Neppe, I am of a mind that to transpose the Vedic cosmology fits superbly with the notion of the godhead /Higher Power and its fractality into gimmel (as one understands it).
There is most certainly a mathematical coding that creates and maintains what we perceive as reality. Such "woo" as alchemy shows us time and time again that the abstract language that is numbers can be used to even predict the future!
Is not dark matter and dark energy a label put onto subjects that do not comport to the mathematical ideation of astrophysicists? Personally, I think so.
It seems that they come up with a theory and use the slight of hand trickery of forcing the equations.
The ubiquitous electromagnetic tauroidal form that surrounds everything we call life has a centre structure of counterspace
I feel that things labelled as "dark" would comport and attune to counterspace.
Anyhoo, maybe I'm just a plumber who's had a lifetime of "paranormal" experiences, glimpses into other dimensions and too much time to speculate above his pay grade🤷‍♂️.

[bryantwilliams]

'Gimmel' is the material or "medium communication material" from the angelic realms of the Infinite Realities.

[FigueroaGordonArt]

Excelent video Vernon & Jeffrey. Vernon theories remind lectures From Sufi mystic Pir Vilayat Inayat Khan 🙏and Ishwar Puri SantMat🙏 on the nature of reality .

[JonRachRickRob]

I enjoyed this interview, but I probably need to listen to it again to fully grasp it. Thank you, gentlemen.

[gordonmutten]

Vernon Neppe's theories seem to me to be very much similar to the origins of the Universe described in the Seth/Jane Roberts book "Dreams, Evolution and Value Fulfilment". For me these are the nearest to the truth about our reality I've come across. Thank you for this interview.

[scottdavis]

This is a great conversation, so interesting to consider these ideas

[MikeFuller-okok]

How can a perfectly ordinary person like me, with a supervised Mensa IQ in the 'High Average' range possibly comprehend the mind of a deeply intelligent thinker like Vernon M. Neppe. Certainly his mind is far, far beyond the level to which my mind can understand concepts and ideas. Even though he explains his findings and research as best as possible to the minds of the general public, I still find his ideas baffling but just accept that his brilliance thoughts have some special validity and rare insight into the nature of reality.

[Drevenhaven]

No… thank you, you are the reason we are here… watching, this is good.

[danzigvssartre]

This sounds like the “God of the Gaps” is replaced by the “Gimmel of the Gaps.” This so-called Gimmel substance is meant to be related to consciousness, but it is only related to physical mass-density. What has it to do with thought, perception, emotion, agency?

[joycebell]

Science is simply the study of the anatomy of God……

[Flanalb]

I am still wondering how the TDVP model of Drs. Neppe and Close relates to the similar-sounding vortical dynamics of Nassim Haramein's model (Resonance Science). It seems as though they might at least correspond or relate to each other in some way.

As to 'God", obviously there must be some reflection from ancient sources and vocabularies to connect us with the realities of the past and a great hope that reality is infinitely self-consistent, but to reach a mathematical correspondence...the intuition has to lead us in the right direction. If we want to maintain some connection with science as we have known it, there must be agreements on some level as to what is primordial and what is transcendent. It seems to me that our current concern is still whether existence and the origin of existence are self-contained or separate.

Another issue is what Consciousness is in relation to Awareness and Being. It sounds as though Dr. Neppe is suggesting that gimmel is related to what some people call the pattern or the information that structures reality.