In What Sense Did Christ Die for the Non-Elect?

Ask Pastor John
Episode: 1159

Please pray for me that I come to the fullness of the Gospel of Christ Jesus and find saving Faith in Christ and enter his rest

[shirleymyahs_dghtr]

''He who has an ear, Let him hear'' Rev 2; Matt 11
"He who lacks understanding, let him ask & it will be given" James 1:5

[jovianleong]

Is true at the end of the day only the Lord knows who truly accepted Him as The Lord of their life’s. No one knows for sure but only Him. All we can do is preached the Gospel to all, hoping that they might be saved. Sleep like a Calvinist, Preach like a Arminian. That’s where I’m resting on.

[jeffreylardizabal]

1 John 2:1-2: "My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world."

[luism.raposo]

I love pastor John. He is so pure, loving, soft tone and explains it all clear and easy to understand. Thank you and may God bless you all.

[gert_kruger]

Is it just me, or did he not really answer the question...

[jedimasterham]

Anyone who trusts in Jesus Christ will be saved. Anyone can be Jesus’ sheep through faith.

[thai]

To believe that multitudes are "non-elect" even before they were born and will spend eternity in torment, AND at the same time say that you believe "God is Love", ... is a nonsensical contradiction that negatively reflects on the character of God.

[genie]

I don't recall any scriptures that mention "the non-elect". I do recall many that speak of God's love for the world.

[mikecoachusa]

Many of you are missing that Christ came to conquer sin, all sin "the seed of the woman will crush the head of the serpent" . So all sin, past, present and future was dealt with and defeated at the cross n regards to God being satisfied. The only thing that will send you to hell is rejection of Christ as the son of God.

[MultiDukee]

Christ died for the sheep, not for the goats. Goats don’t become sheep. A person who turns to Christ is not a goat that became a sheep, he was lost sheep found by the Lord and brought back to the fold.

[marnalaubscher]

Yes, God created some 'to the vessels of destruction' sadly, only because he knew that they would reject him. He died for the whole world, people have a choice to choose him or not. The only thing we can blame him for, is that he gave us a choice, he did not create robots or puppets. Some people, like the fallen angels, decided to reject him, but he created them. Because he knew everething, even your next thought, he could know that this child, even when he loved him so much, would choose to reject him. We want to blame God for everything, just choose him. If you struggle to believe, tell him, spend time with him, cling to him and don't let go until there is a breakthrough. HE LOVES YOU AND WAIT FOR YOU.

[brendagula]

When the Bible says Jesus is the SAVIOR of the WORLD that's exactly what it means. He died for every single human being. The sad thing is that not everyone will receive the gift of salvation and because God knows this in his foreknowledge because Bible says he knows our hearts, that is how how God knows in advance who is saved and who is not.

[byronlyn]

I’m glad it’s a problem to Calvinists. It’s not a problem to me. I accept Scripture. It clearly states that he died for all. Those who accept Christ sacrifice for their sins are saved. Some are saved and unfortunately many a lost because they did not believe.

[justinharrell]

Easy...Died for all, Only believers saved.

[mauroarg]

If God so loved the world, he must have done something for the whole world. For me the most logical interpretation is that Jesus' sacrifice Is enough for the sins of every man

[carolinasosa]

So, reasoning like a calvinist but offering the gospel like an arminian. I think I get it now.

[AJTramberg]

"Forgive them, for they know not what they do". Why would He say that about a bunch of unelected Romans that He knows will not be forgiven? What a butchering of John 3:16, the most straightforward passage in the Bible. Calvinism is perverse.

[andreiacacio]

The answer is there. But there’s a much easier way of answering that question: I’ll help you all out: NOTHING. No benefit to the non-elect. But here’s the twist: it helps US, BELIEVERS to share the gospel to the world because we do not know who is elect. Because at the end of the age, EVERY knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father… We should not wonder as believers, we believers are commanded in Matthew to preach the gospel to all the nations. But it’s VERY CLEAR in Romans that we have been Chosen and Predestined. How blessed we are the Elect!

In summary, it doesn’t benefit the non-elect, but it 1.) gives glory to God; 2.) it makes us (the elect) appreciate our salvation so much more!!!

[racingfuel]

I agree with Pastor John on most of his points. But not on this one. You simply can’t read the Bible and get predestination out of it. John 3:16 says “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” That word whosoever means anyone who calls on God, repents of their sins, and accepts that Jesus’ death was the perfect sacrifice for their sins will be saved. Anyone who hears the Gospel can do that. God doesn’t just pick or call some and not others. God says it isn’t His will that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. There’s just no legitimate Biblical basis for predestination. That creates a God who is hateful, and cruel. God is a loving God who cares for the whole world. Not just certain people. The term “the elect” in the Bible simply refer to those who have already accepted salvation. It doesn’t mean that only certain people can be saved. That idea is just dumb. And as I said, there is no legitimate Biblical argument for predestination.