Rogues Gain New Passives/Talents In War Within Alpha! Slice And Dice, Bone Spike Rework, And More

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0:00 New Rogue Changes In War Within Alpha!
1:11 General Class Changes
4:58 Assassination Improvements
9:33 Outlaw Is Departing From Stealth
12:34 Subtlety Updates

[brendanhill]

Why even have slice n dice as a button, its not fun to press and its kept up without having to use brain. Just bloat.

[iainbotha]

happy shadow dance is going back to sub only as a sub player

[Drack]

I want outlaw to be the agile fighter that it has been, I’ve actually stopped playing my rogue because I don’t want to play subtlety, and outlaw is just subtlety with swords instead of daggers right now.

[cellsinterlinked]

Outlaw does the shadow stuff a lot clunkier than Sub and I personally do not enjoy playing Outlaw at the moment as I used to. My eyes are glued to my buff bar to not miss a thing and that makes outlaw feel very overloaded. Sub is a great spec and has a great identity, let's keep it that way. I enjoyed BfA Outlaw, where for example Between the Eyes was an extra stun. It fit the Outlaw identity so much better than Shadow Dance.

[krucible]

Why get rid of the extra range for melee attacks?? It was such a nice QOL change. Blizzard always making stupid changes like this

[CyberJedi]

As an Assassination main, I'm worried about the shadow dance and shadowstalker talent removal because it increases our burst damage window by a lot, so I just wonder where the damage compensation will come from.

[na-xvhb]

im really not a fan of reduced melee range, acro strik was one of my favorite talents.

[BloodyNightmare]

So happy with Outlaw changes and Shadowdance not being a in the class tree anymore. If you wanna be sneaky, and snapshot, go be subtlety. I’ll be over here. With my swords, and my pistol, and rolling the dice to decide your fate.

[visionofgrey]

I played Rogue since the game first released. Alice and Dice is new?

[jacobyboyer]

I would prefer less stealth for outlaw. Managing roll the bones and your stealth cd windows gets to be a lot and when you get out of sync or bad rng your dps plummets.

[Dryzual]

Good, straight forward information. Thanks

[MRZOMBIERcker]

I would like to get away in outlaw from the punishment of missing stealth windows. if you are not vanishing and dancing on cool down you miss so much damage. the RNG of ROTB buffs also can make or break how well you do damage. moving to more of a sustain class with small burst windows when having 2 vanishes would be much better IMO.

[evilvash]

wooo still going with Blade Rush can't tell ya how many times I have clutched with it from targets kiting especially multi blink mages haha

[hannahloumen]

Pls simplify rtb, make some of the buffs when rtb is active allways passive, to reduce rng. Less micro-managment to handle. Make the class playable without being forced of using weakauras all over the place.

[MorganRhysGibbons]

Pirates were too noisy to be sneaky anyway- a big part of the original reason for the famous Ninja v. Pirate lawsuit

[aswaggyferret]

Outlaw is very unforgiving atm. I would like to see changes that make it more forgiving if you mess up. Theres a lot to keep track of too.

[ZaHandoRequiem]

hm i really like this Crackshot outlaw thingy right now. It feels like im a walking Minigun but i would also like sth more consistent

[PainCheeZe]

I am happy the Outlaw sustain build is coming back. I HATED the vanish playstyle so much I haven't played my Rogue (who I've always loved) all expansion. If they do it right, it may be my main again. High hopes, low expectations... 🤞🏴‍☠🤞

[chrisofblades]

Soo, Sub rogue gets the short end of the stick with regards to changes. I want better abilities tbh. New attacks

[kramergadd]

I love current outlaw. Vanish then whip out the blicky and get to blast. I don’t consider it to be stealth class as it’s more of a reaction to vanish making it a cd. Like they could button bloat it and just give us a button that does the same thing but there’s no reason.