Versus: MOZA R5 vs Fanatec CSL DD 5Nm

An in depth comparison between two starter packages of MOZA and Fanatec. The R5 vs CSL DD 5Nm.

00:00:03 Introduction
00:00:25 Price
00:00:56 Design
00:02:49 Driving sensation
00:04:23 Issues
00:05:44 Software
00:06:25 Eco-system
00:07:03 Upgradability
00:07:43 Conclusion

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[tigerbalm]

Owning a Moza R5 since last April, have had 0 issues and performance is amazing, coming from a Fanatec Forza CSR Elite belt drive. DD is far superior to belt!!

[mazmona]

Great video - thanks - in South Africa, Fanatec has no footprint so we are restricted to third party sellers at much higher prices. The CSL DD bundles sells for 50% more than the R5 bundle through our local suppliers. You could import direct from Fanatec, but risk shipping, customs costs plus the issue of aftersales support

[bamm]

I’ve had a moza r5 for a week and it’s been nothing but problems. Over heating is seriously an issue. The only way to solve it is turning ffb down super low and strapping fans to it. If not you only get about 15 min before ffb starts getting weaker. Sending it back and getting a csl.

[JBoston]

I'm so torn between the two. One huge factor is the pedals. The r5 has no option of adding a load cell pedal, and the pedals only work with the r5, and that limits the market to sell them if you want to upgrade the pedals. Also I primarily race oval racing, so the larger diameter on the fanatec is better, in my opinion. Also worth noting is the fanatec does not come with the table clamp and is $30 extra.

[andreasm.]

Bought a FANATEC CSL DD QR2 set bundled with the WRC Elite wheel, here in Germany the price was almost equal between this FANATEC bundle + 10 Amp LED PSU the MOZA R5. First the decision was hard, cause the R5 has the better wheel than the simple P1 and the better QR (against QR1) and App, by the other hand there was the 8Nm upgradability of the FANATEC. But now FANATEC bundles with the new QR2 and the nicer WRC wheel as well, so I've bought it the first day the new FANATEC hp was up with that new bundle. However, 150€ for a simple PSU is really overpriced, so bought a 10 Amps LED PSU to get the full 8Nm. I had a G920 before, but never got familiar with the Logitech, but now with my new FANATEC gear, driving/racing is simply WOW, no chance to compare that DD setup and a sloppy G920 gear setup.
I really love to race now, thx FANATEC.

[MasterMojo]

I like Moza a bit more, because the unit is smaller and the Wheel it prettier imo.
But upgradability is an important factor. The pedals of the starter bundles are obviously bad but with fanatec you have the possibility to upgrade your pedal to a load cell instead of being forced to buy completely new pedals, which is huge.
But I'm still undecided. I have to watch more reviews. 😂

[Motornationz]

With 3rd party boost kits, the CSL DD is a no brainer. I got mine within a week of ordering. For an entry level definitely get the Fanatec. (We all know we will upgrade from these anyways at some point). So just get the cheapest, and then look for 3rd party solutions for the upgrades and you’re solid. :D

[salzstreuer]

I placed an order for the csl dd 5nm bundle on friday. After I did that I was chilling in the Fanatec forum and damn this forum is full of people who are waiting for their stuff since Black friday, having problems with refunds and stuff. I think I never canceled an order that fast. I absolutely dont want to fuck around with problems like that. Now I just ordered the moza r5 bundle.
Yeah, you can Upgrade the Fanatec base to 8nm but I dont care to be honest. For me 5.5nm will be enough since im coming from an G920. I dont buy the r5 because I want to be a hardcore sim racer, I just buy it to have fun in racing games without waking up my Kids because the G920 is so freaking loud 😂 im not Planing to Upgrade anything (but i bought the Brake kit tho) and keep it for a long time so I think the moza r5 is perfect for me and will be delivered und 2-3 days while on fanatec you will have to wait weeks, of not months

[Djaym]

one more thing that pushes me more toward Fanatec is just the overall support for games outside of sim racing. Moza gets no support, even in newer games.

[tattoodude]

It's great that these two companies have started making and competing for good, low price DD options. We as consumers always benefit in these types of situations.
Personally, I went with Moza as their stuff just looked to be better quality and less like a toy. Moza stuff looks like racing gear whereas Fanatec's stuff looks like gaming gear. I've been very happy with my R5 and with my next splurge, I can jump to the top of the of the NM scale since the R21 is only $1000 - which in sim racing is not bad!

[-VOAV-]

I just bought the r5 bundle for a discount only for 400€. I think it was a great deal.

[ZiegeGHG]

Ive Shooten a Moza R5 for 400€ i‘m so happy That was so a much Upgrade to the g923

[georgegalea]

Great review. I pick MOZA because it’s not a FANATEC product. It’s a long drawn out painful story.

[tofu]

At this point where both dd bases are cheap its just on you what you choose they are pretty similiar. I personally like the fanatec more but the moza is great too so its just your choice

[chitose]

The main disadvantage of Moza R5 is its ffb torque is fixed, so you really need to buy a new wheelbase to upgrade while Fanatec CSL DD can be upgraded to 8nm with a boost kit. The disadvantage (for me) is Fanatec is overpriced here because only one retailer sells it, and Fanatec website doesn't deliver here, so I have no choice but to get Moza.

[satoshi_hasegawa]

У Fanatec есть проблемы но даже со своими проблемами это лучше чем Moza R5 которая перегревается и теряет обратную связь. На это многие жалуются. Это огромный минус который перечёркивает все плюсы.
С CSL DD об этом можно не волноваться и спокойно себе катать долгие гонки.
А ещё на MOZA R5 не во все игры можно поиграть. Fanatec поддерживает намного больше игр.
Сам вот сейчас решаю, что купить, сначала думал MOZA но она не надёжная, всё вроде нормально, квикрелиз классный очень нравится, сама база прикольная, такая миниатюрная но проблемы с перегревом это большой минус. Я не хочу, что бы мой руль временами отрубался и портил мне гонку. Так, что перестрахуюсь и возьму лучше CSL DD.

[Lepezii]

Great video, there is just one thing I'm a bit worried about. I have seen alot of people complaining about the customer services of both brands. So in case something happens to either of the wheels, I'm a bit scared if the customer service will help because I've seen so many people say they don't care

[cblack]

After using both i would say moza is better not even because of the AWFUL fanatec logistics having you wait weeks to get your stuff delivered !but the moza software and refinement is superior imo, moza has way higher rotational settings, it has a full feedback equaliser to completely refine the feedback, the products just feel better quality and more upto date, they are also cheaper and easy to obtain from any general retailer... I hate to say it but even with corsair behind fanatec its very hard for me to picture them being a better product only thing i will say is fanatec has a lot of licenced wheels for a more immersive set up and more support for games as the company has been around longer..i think once moza has more big car brands behind them i think its game over

[HeretixAevum]

One thing I strongly prefer about the fanatec is that it has a dedicated handbrake port and TWO dedicated shifter ports on the back of the base. Because I'm not going to have a dedicated setup (at least not to start with) I intend to put everything on a stand and simply move it into place in front of my PC when I want to race. Only needing to plug in one USB into my computer instead of 3 is a very nice quality of life feature.

That and the fact that you can upgrade it to get 8nm, the lower price and the wheel that it comes with is more suitable for my preferred discipline (rallying), and its the CSL DD for me. The Moza definitely has a lot going for it, though, and seems like a very solid option.

[themystx]

The problem with your price argument is, to add a third pedal with load cell and desk mount to the CSL DD 5nm to the Moza R5 bundle are the prices. The R5 bundle is now $439, and $530 (with shipping) with the third pedal and load cell brake upgrade (it comes with a clamp by default). They also don't charge sales tax, unlike Fanatec. Fanatec with the equivalent parts is a whopping $778.38 shipped, so knowing current prices in the USA, is the CSL DD 5Nm $240 better than the R5?