How Hollywood movies are color graded for HDR & SDR (w/ Dado Valentic)

[RXP]

That was super interesting. Thanks for recording guys. I guess it shows how loosely standards are applied to real life grading. Vinny T mentioned that 5 nits is the standard, but in reality it's quite a decent living room standard of light. I'm quite surprised at that because Netflix's dark HDR shows like Sabrina or Marco Polo really don't like great until you're in pitch black. Their SDR counter parts, on the other hand, look fine. It's also interesting that us projector owners can never get the pitch black mastered version of movies. Yet, still they look fantastic.


I was also not surprised by the fact a 65" regular OLED is used and totally relied on the factory calibration with a manual tuning of saturation. No meters involved. I think the enthusiast community obsess about reference colour accuracy when in real world production there is larger tolerance and room for personal preference. We even see this in the differences between colours in Blu-ray releases in different regions. I don't think it's the objective colours that potray the "director intent" or "emotional score" but it's rather the relative colours on the screen.


The biggest take away I had was that movies/TV are actually graded on OLED's with de-saturation at higher nits. So when we watch them with our home OLED's - that's actually what the colourist is seeing. So it's not actually that big a deal.


I think we're probably years away from a proper 1000 nit RGB display with perfect pixel level black. So just like 3D that took a while to get really stunning - we're going to see progression over the coming decade even without any new standards.

[Andynath]

47:11 a wild Vincent from Hdtv test appeared !

[mrtickleuk]

Fantastic stuff, thanks for sharing. Very interesting to hear his expert views.

[gregorybennett]

Need a cinematographer to light this seminar!

[orangerecords_studio]

so interesting to listen to people that is engaged, and know their craft :)

[SuperemeRed]

2000+ nit Peak brightness is a AWESOME for games where you want to recreate the sensation of looking out of a real window, not a dimmed down representation of it. Of course you'll be blinded by a sudden 4-10k nit screen if you sit in a dark room and watch a move mastered for 150 nit avarage with some peak high lights, this is something we have inherited from the limitations of cinema and forces people to watch moves in the dark. My Sony ZF9 looks awesome when gaming and movies that are mastered to 2000+ nit. OLEDs on the other hand, while indeed having great local contrast really lack the oumph! in highlights you get from the brighter LCDs and I still long for even more peak brightness.

[huhuhuhu]

Hy can any one tell me which plugin he is using on the 2nd node plzz

[DUST]

Anybody knows which Panasonic OLED TV Dado's using?

[TheCrucialQ]

I think he underestimates the viewer capabilities, if you leave the detail in faces alone, you will see that the viewer eventually moves on and becomes immersed.

[pjp]

for people working for hollywood this video is really poor quality and poorly color graded ha

[petrub]

I like how this guy who works into industry simply puts his display in one of the standard color modes and other loser who thinks they know everything are using sofisticated calibration method and deliver really bad work

[pgice]

You clearly are behind at flapanelshd
giving the GZ2000 an reference award with its cheating white subpixel boost and added monochrome light LOL
you know that the true RGB brightness on the WRGB OLEDs are only around 390 nits?
if not i teach you that right now.

i can teach you some other stuff while im on it
only a tv thats has light coming from glowing material (black body emitter) can be classed as an reference display.
thats Plasma tvs and CRT tvs.
LED light are far from reference light with its narrow spectra bandwidth and diffuse RGB cones with low radiation.
so skip that reference award until you know what an true reference display is.