Ben Shapiro Debates Atheist on Slavery in the Bible

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[theCommentDevil]

Getting Shapiro to admit that morality does not come from God is a big W and he's getting dragged for it elsewhere. Bravo cheerio here here

[justsignmeup]

Alex: You believe that there are moral absolutes and they come from the bible.
Ben: Yes.
Alex: The bible allows moral wrongs like slavery.
Ben: Well it wasn't immoral back then.

What a debate master.

[eristic]

Alex, you can't on the one hand call slavery immoral and on the other hand own Ben like that

[Tenorio]

Is this a podcast or a blind date? That ambience damnnn

[kayamann]

If God can tell this people not to eat shellfish, then he can tell people to not own slaves

[TheMrgrafixable]

holy shit ben's not debating a student

[eric]

That last argument about the wife of the slave and their children completely ANNIHILATED Ben’s position. That was brilliant.

[stephenholmgren]

The virgins they were permitted to keep as slaves were often just children, little girls, absolutely indefensible. No amount of speed-talking apologetics can dig Ben out of this one.

[TheCloudFoot]

I'm not great at keeping score, but seems to me Alex got Ben to:

1. State that God is not always moral.
2. Agree we do not get our morality from scripture.
3. Concede there are things God cannot do.
4. Admit there are moral & logical contradictions throughout the Bible.

[paulcleary]

Ben "I'm not God. I can't speak for God. I don't know why God does these things."
Also Ben "Let me speak for God."

[hawkmne]

Ben's saying that God couldn't outright denounce slavery because it was very common at the time, but why was it then able to outright forbid adultery ("Thou shalt not commit adultery") which was probably equally common? Funnily enough, modern societies abolished slavery but not adultery despite Ben saying that present day morals are rooted in religion by which logic adultery should be illegal.

[prashants]

Mental gymnastics needed to justify the relevance of stupidity from 2000 years ago for today is always amusing

[TheBitPianist]

Usually, Ben can hide the fact that he doesn't have an answer pretty well. But not this time

[MrThankeesai]

Slavery in the Bible is completely indefensible. People who will defend indefensible things have no right to be taken seriously

[walterude]

A god they say is "the same yesterday, today and forever" is the same god who did not recognise that slavery would one day be seen categorically as immoral, and denounce it right from the start???
Make this make sense.

[Quancept]

Jesus Christ! Ben was violated at around 9:30. His own statements came back like a missile and hit him. This Alex guy is just awesome. A new subscriber from India here.

[churchofinfiniteknowledge]

It's so fun to watch Ben, who hates being wrong, forced to choose to be wrong by a belief system.

[halfpine]

Getting Ben to admit he is a moral relativist is quite a feat

[AdamKlownzinger]

I’m glad we’re in unanimous agreement that Ben lost.

[kinghassy]

"Hey mabe dont own other humans" is not very radical, it just says a lot that it took centuries to come to this position. It points to the fact that morality is a developing thing over centuries instead of something that can be expressed in a static text