Most Difficult Scripture For Oneness Pentecostals To Explain?!?

Pastor Steve Waldron, New Life of Albany - Albany, Ga
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[jaymieharris]

In John 17:11 Jesus prays that the disciples may be one even as he and the father are one. In John 10:30 he says he and the Father are one. If Oneness believe the One in John 10:30 means same person rather than same in agreement then why don't they believe when he references that "one" again in John 17:11 that he was praying the Disciples are all the same person? No, he was praying the disciples may be one as he and the father are one John Jesus meant one person then when he references it he would have meant all the disciples are one person because he said one as he and the father are one so the "one" means the disciples are one in agreement or one in accord and so too he even referenced that one he had with the father.

[timothycontreras]

There is only one faith, one Lord, and one baptism!

[brucedressel]

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2 Peter 1 20 KJV

[yhcytjd]

Trinitarians and Oneness pentecostal both believe there is one God. The Christian faith is monotheistic.

I grew up in oneness pentecostalism and the issue I always faced is that the theology became problematic when I began to really read and study the Bible. The Spirit gave me further revelation and the scriptures began to highlight that God is triune. He is indeed One God who exists in 3 distinct person who share the same essence.Just as a man and his wife become 1 flesh, or just as there is 1 church with many members, so is God. He is One being existing in 3 coeternal persons with the same essence. This is how Jesus can pray to the Father (John 17), this is how The Spirit intercedes according to The will of God. (John 8:26) and testifies about jesus (John 15:26). Jesus also intercedes for the saints at The right hand of The Father (Revelation 8:34, John 17). As The spirit began to guide me through the text, He began to take me to Jesus's baptism (Matthew 3) where The Father clearly states "This is my beloved Son In Whom I am well pleased" while The Spirit descended on him. These truths were hard for me to except because I was told different for most my life. I had came to a cross road where I had to decide which way I would go. I chose to go back to oneness because it was all I knew. So I began to go through my Bible and say, "if I can't find a scripture that shows The trinity in heaven, I'm going back" . Then The spirit lead me to a familiar verse in Revelation chapter 4 that I would refer to when defending oneness beliefs I had, and the spirit said "keep reading ". So I kept reading about The One who sat on the throne in chapter 4 who I assumed was Jesus since I was taught Jesus was The only one on the throne. But as I kept reading into chapter 5, Then an individual is introduced who is referred to as The Lamb that was slain, The seed of David, and of the tribe of Judah. We all know who that is, that is Jesus. The The Lamb (jesus) walks up to The one on the throne (The Father) and takes the book out of his hand, since he was worthy (equally honorable) to do so. It also mentions The 7 spirits of God before The throne as well (7 fold ministry of the spirit mentioned in Isaiah). So The Spirit answered my question. Then I asked, well where is the trinity in The old tetsment. The the Spirit took me to the book of Daniel chapter 7 that is a vision of The future Messiah referred to as The Son of Man and The Father referred to as The Ancient of Days destroyed Satan and The antichrist .

So the scriptures teaches us clearly about The trinity. Their are many more examples all throughout the new testament of distinctions between The Father and The Son, and The Holy spirit stated by Jesus himself. We can't exclusively go to The old testament to teach about The Godhead because it is as Paul refers to in Colossians 2 a "shadow" of things to come. The fullness has been revealed by The Spirit unto the church ( 1 Corinthians 2:6-16).

The Spirit will guide you into all truth (John 16:13) if we allow him to. Growth is all part of serving God. We cannot become like The saints Paul referred to in ( Hebrews 5:11) as believers who are "too lazy to understand". We must study so that we further understand the debts of God's word, his nature, and our callings so that we can not only live it properly but teach it properly. Grace and love to all.

[JH]

"Father why have you forsaken me"

[biblefarm]

Just so you know, it doesn't actually say "and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.". Please consider reading that verse 48:16c in Hebrew, as it is literally written: "and now, My Master Yehovah has sent Me and His Spirit". As a Jew, I am in full agreement with Oneness doctrine, and certainly believe Yeshua is the same ONE Yehovah, born as a man, exactly as y'all Oneness Pentecostals understand and believe. Amen. Having said that, there are plenty of literal & undeniable references of Yehovah in the Tanakh, that the rabbis have identified as clearly more than one and yet, still One. I don't have a problem with that. I've learned to appeal to Deuteronomy 29:29 so I don't even try to explain. Just as trinitarians, in the NT, have identified literal & undeniable references of more than one and yet, still One. In the NT cases, I've learned to appeal to John 16:12 so I also don't even try to explain. I've come to realize that as long we stay on the side of Oneness, we're safe. Whereas, some have crossed the line; because they deny Yeshua's deity. And if so, that's a different Jesus. The real Jesus told us that would happen (Mat. 24:5, Mar. 13:6, Luk. 21:8). Paul also told us there would be "another Jesus" (2-Corinthians 11:4).

[susanl]

Whether anyone likes it or not, scripture says the LORD is ONE.
I believe scripture.

Mark 12:29
“And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:”

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

[Players-rjuy]

The problem I have with the baptism of Jesus is that Jesus is talking to himself if you believe oneness. Why would one person need to talk to himself?

[heathmarter]

One of the main issues of Isaiah 48:16 for Trinitarians is it puts Jesus as the speaker in this whole section from their point of view... Then if you read the verses around it, it's obviously the father talking according to Trinitarians, but there is no speaker change.... This would imply Jesus is the same speaker throughout Isaiah, which makes sense, since it was Jesus he seen on the throne in chapter 6 according to John, who the Angels called the Lord of hosts, then Isaiah continues to call the speaker the same name throughout the book... This makes perfect sense with oneness, with Jesus being the Word of God, so anytime the Father speaks it is his Word speaking... I really don't get it, why people think a someone's word would be a different person from them? Or someone's spirit being a different person... God bless

[OrthodoxJourney]

Yes, the Jews understood that passage as referring to "the two powers in Heaven" until the 2nd and third century they saw two there. Just read an actual Scholar like Michael Heiser and it’s pretty clear in the Hebrew text.

[TimNewton]

I’ll say this. When the current oneness ideology was called Sabellianism, it was rejected by the Church. When it was modalism, it was rejected by the Church.
It attached itself to Pentecostalism about 100 years ago in the US and grew from there. It was rejected centuries ago and should be rejected today.

[jafartheminotaur]

There is one verse that I haven't heard a Trinitarian answer to and I've looked.
Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
KJV

[lordboston]

I have no idea how your beliefs get past John chapter 17. Verse 21 pretty much shuts it down, we are one in Jesus as Jesus is one in the father....clearly we are independent of Christ and also one, so we must conclude that Jesus is independent and one with the father. Oneness doctrine makes scripture idiotic. The father and Jesus are clearly independent but also one.

1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

[studywithmefolks]

So Jesus's prayer in the garden was to Jesus, and that Jesus asked Jesus by praying, "Jesus, if it is Jesus's will, take this cup from Jesus, nevertheless not Jesus's will, but Jesus's be done?

This oneness thing has got me truly baffled, considering all that the Bible has to say.

I also notice that you compare things to the Jews and that they never found a Trinity anywhere and never had a problem with oneness (I am learning the terms now). But the Jews never followed God the right way and the whole Bible is full of the Jews doing things wrong and God trying to correct them. So to use the Jews and the way they worshipped as an example of the right way to worship God, without really giving specifics, and just using it generally, , makes the argument weak.

I understand trinity isn't used in the Bible. It is a name given as a label. And labels can oftentimes be skewed and misconstrued by people to push agendas of their own.

[samuellundin]

John 17:5 to me is the most difficult for Oneness people who insist that the Logos existed just in thought.

[IM.o.s.e.s.I]

People don't understand that that Jesus is the WORD of God the Father spoken into flesh! And the Word WAS God. WAS God! As in He is obviously still omniscient and omnipresent, but as a man He allowed Himself to be humbled and experience limitations. The Word DOES NOT stop being the WORD!

John 17:5 KJV — And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Isaiah 48:16 KJV — Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

THE WORD is the answer! The LORD GOD, the Father, and His Spirit, sent the WORD to become flesh and manifest as the Son of God. Super simple. Trinitarians cant handle scripture!

[saltisgood]

God is One Genesis 1:26. 1 Peter 1:2. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost, this is the true Oneness. There are things you can’t use logic for you have to use Faith.

[ranospiteri]

you must baptise in of the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”

[ranospiteri]

Proof Jesus Christ is Devine 1 Corinthians 15

[raygsbrelcik]

Honestly, I don't see what all the confusion about verses like
ISAIAH 48:16, is about? All you have to do is Read the first 15
verses to begin understanding the Context. For those first 15
Verses----It's simply GOD Himself Speaking. But verse 16 makes
a Prophetic "Shift."
GOD is Saying, "I AM THERE."
Where?
HE will Be there when the time of Jesus' Ministry arrives.

"And now the Soveriegn LORD has Sent me.."

This is a Prophetic revelation of the very things Jesus is going
to Declare during those last 3 years of his Life!

The first 15 verses leave No doubt. It starts out with YAHWEH
Speaking of the Things HE had done for the Israelites.

There are Many such Prophetic "Over-Shadowings, " of Future
Events. The Old Testament is Full of Prophetic Language!
One must pay Careful attention to the Context of the Language.

In Other words----The Last few words of verse 16, is a Prophecy
of the Words that come from the very Mouth of Christ...In the
Distant Future.

Otherwise you have GOD and Christ Co--Existing in the Old
Testament times, which makes NO sense at All!

If that were so---Then Why did he not Announce himself as
Savior? And if Christ was actually THERE....WITH his FATHER;
Which one is the, "ONE TRUE GOD?"

There are Many complications if you think Jesus was Literally
There, back then WITH the FATHER!