David Jeremiah | Predestination is not Foreknowledge | #johnmacarthur #paulwasher #voddiebaucham

[joshyoungforindiana]

My respect for Dr. David Jeremiah just increased.

[iacoponefurio]

My opinion of Jeremiah just rose a ton.

[nealwright]

Absolutely. In Christ! That's the "secure path"!

[iacoponefurio]

Finally i never heard him talk about this before good for Him.

Anything that depends on man fails. Jeremiah 17

[rja]

Whosoever will may come. Pastors who imply that most people are born, live, die and go to hell because God didn’t ’choose’ them is patently unbiblical

[alakazoom]

Now I know the pastor talks more about what salvation is. But it's more than just belief, there's repentance required too

[mobulusmoby]

I think people believe that this is a confirmation of the Calvinistic definition... It is not... God initiated The Plan... Man uses free will to follow God's predetermined path...

[INTHENAMEOF_JESUS]

I'm NOT a "calvanist", just a Born Again believer in Jesus Christ, who believes what the Bible actually says. WHICH of THESE verses is a LIE? Who are we to question God's Word, OR His divine Providence and His purposes and His will for mankind? Be careful not to use human reasoning that tells us that God certainly wouldn't destroy any of His creation... Remember Satan? A third of His angels He created?

Again, WHICH verse is a LIE?

### KJV Verses on Election and Predestination

#### Election and Predestination

**Ephesians 1:4-5**
- **Verse 4:** "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"
- **Verse 5:** "Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, "

These verses indicate that God chose and predestined believers for adoption as His children through Jesus Christ, according to His will and before the world was made.

**Romans 8:29-30**
- **Verse 29:** "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."
- **Verse 30:** "Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."

This passage explains that those God foreknew, He predestined to be like His Son, Jesus Christ. Those He predestined, He also called, justified, and glorified.

#### God's Sovereignty in Salvation

**2 Thessalonians 2:13**
- "But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:"

This verse highlights that God chose certain individuals for salvation, which involves sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth.

#### Destiny of the Unbelieving

**Romans 9:18**
- "Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth."

This verse reflects on God's sovereign choice in showing mercy to some and hardening the hearts of others, indicating a divine election that transcends human understanding.

**1 Peter 2:8**
- "And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed."

This passage suggests that some are destined to disobey the word and stumble, as part of their appointed path.

These verses from the King James Version of the Bible reflect the theological concepts of election and predestination, indicating that God has sovereignly chosen some for salvation through faith in Jesus Christ, while others are destined for a different path, according to His sovereign will.

[tiwanstrong]

Predestination and foreknowledge is God choosing THE not choosing people TO BE saved.... I think God knows exactly who is going to be saved because he has already seen it ... And of course he will not reveal it but to me it's as if he is letting reality catch up to HIM.... Not the other way around

[mountaineer]

He used to peach the opposite!
Everything he said, is scriptural!
This is the truth !