MTP - Tacoma issues - Frontier updates and Raptor off road

The new Toyota Tacoma has been a hit for the brand but growing pains have kicked in. Nissan quickly have updated the Frontier and Dave was able to take the Ford Ranger Raptor off road.
And Tim discusses the Ford Maverick
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[marksullivan]

As far as Nissan you can do the suspension lift kit light weight alloy wheels & steel bumpers & still spend less than a Toyota & have the same or better longevity

[SuzukiAnthony]

I'm and Engineer that has built custom offroad suspension and also re-valves and Custom tunes shocks for offroad racing. 3 things i wanted to share. 1- putting a bumpstop on a shock is not a fix unless the shock has sufficient strength and dampening to soften the blow, which factory shocks and factory sick buckets do not have either. you will end up either snapping the shaft stem or cracking or bending the shock mounting bucket. the biggest advantage of a frame mounted bump stop is that you spread out the load into two sprays
separate loads on the frame. 2 - just because a shock looks the same does not mean it is the same at all. Shock performance is all about internal design. piston flow hole size, free bleed, and shim stack chosen have a huge effect on performance . saying confidently that you think the tacoma shock is the same shock used in a bronco Sasquatch package? is such a far reach. which leads me into 3- if you don't know something, don't put it out. people do research and watch these car videos to learn. if you give them guesses and false statements just to get content out there, then your doing them a disservice.

[wesharris]

Amen! Too much negativity in the world.

[honda]

"Frame mounted bump stops"... Toyotas been doing it that way for over 30 years Tim but then they decide to skimp out on the 4th generation Tacoma... Even worse the Lexus LX series has dual frame mounted bump stops & Land cruiser has them!

[marksullivan]

The stelantis ceo thinks he can force Americans to drive fiats he has to leave & promote someone from Ram that understands Americans understands trucks understands jeep let the current ceo go sell Renaults in europe

[smittysmitty]

All the Tacoma trims are $10k overpriced. That’s their biggest problem

[davep]

Yes, "they're", is correct. It's a contraction for they are. As in, they are (they're) breaking off road. The 2024 Tacoma TRD OFF Road and TRD Pro do NOT have traditional bump stops. The pictures Tim has seen otherwise are from the previous generation Tacoma. There are ways to implement a front IFS without traditional bump stops to control maximum compression but the simplest and most durable method long term is a frame mounted bump stop. The Bronco though also uses shock mounted bump stops and hasn't had issues with them. So it's quite possible that Toyota isn't using the exact shock design Ford is or that Toyota didn't engineer the entire "system" correctly to avoid overloading the capacity of the built in stops. Look, Toyota's engineering really isn't better than anyone else's. By all accounts from knowledgeable Toyota mechanics and auto industry vets what made Toyota's generally reliable was their simpler engineering, somewhat redundant protection and using higher quality parts. Even so Toyota has engineered some truly terrible designs over the years so don't think they aren't capable of a miss here and there. Especially now that they're trying to cut costs. As for dismissing the shock issue as a Bilstein problem it doesn't matter whether it's a Bilstein problem or not. The consumer buys a Toyota, not a Bilstein. And they expect their Toyota to be reliable. So from a customer perspective it's a Toyota issue.

Now, when it comes to Tim's point about people asking what the negatives are. Well, when you're talking about an expensive truck the negatives could cost you money. The positives just make you smile and people don't worry about smiles they worry about an empty wallet. The Toyota Trail Hunter is a crew cab with a six foot bed so Nissan's easiest response was to throw the PRO4X package on the long bed crew cab Frontier that already existed. And that saves them from having to consider bringing in the extended cab version. Nissan doesn't need the 139" wheelbase to build an Xterra. The current Terra is frame wise exactly the same vehicle as the third gen Pathfinder with it's 112.2" wheelbase other than a coil sprung rear solid axle. And both the Xterra and the Pathfinder were built on a shorter version of the F-Alpha platform. If Nissan were to bring back some form of the Xterra I would hope it would hint at the next gen Frontier rather than the current gen Frontier hinting at the next Xterra. But it's NIssan, yeah. Simply being the low price leader obviously isn't enough to become a sales leader so it's long past time to build a truly better version of the truck while remaining cost effective. Better does not always mean more expensive. And more expensive most definitely doesn't not always get you a better product. So it is possible for Nissan to build both a better truck than anyone else and to do so for a better price and become the value leader. Sure, the guys out there who always claim they would have bought it if only it had one more feature they "MUST have" will complain no matter what. But the people who actually have money and intentions of buying something just might switch to Nissan. By the way, that nameplate piece looks like it might be a bridge between the lower screen bezel and the lower dash so it's probably possible to remove it and replace it with something else. If there's enough demand I'm sure a company out there will literally, fill the gap. Or you can have the neighborhood 3D printer geek make you a piece.