What is STALL and why is it so HATED?

#pokemonshowdown #pokemon #competitivepokemon #stall

[BKCplaysPokemon]

I really like those comments that begin with "I haven't watched the video but"

[MenwithHill]

Stall is when the opponent makes progress and I don't.

[DGFTardin]

I'm at 00:01 and I haven't heard any good arguments in favor of stall.

[johanericsson]

Stall hatred comes from being a teenager who had to forfeit a stall matchup because dinner is ready.

[fayestra]

I tend to think of stall like that one quote about the stonecutter, where it looks like no progress is being made for hundreds of hits of the hammer, until at the very end when the payoff is the stone splitting cleanly in half on the final blow. All about little advantages being built up over time.

[RazorusRX]

I haven't watched the video yet, but....why did Finchinator commit such war crimes with Big Stall!?

[lilianmesmo]

I haven't watched the video yet but wasn't it Finchinator that was caught on camera making out with Toxapex?

[klodpraisor]

i paused at 0:00 to leave you a positive comment

[the_blahhh]

Stall plays an important role in the metagame clock. As offense teams try to one up each other, they tend to drop wallbreakers and stallbreakers, and run more short term scarfers, revenge killers, hazard setters, and swepers without any longevity. And when that goes too far, stall teams can clean house and keep that offense arms race in check. Obviously, its a bit of a oversimplified view, but it still has a similar effect.

[honjon]

"The reason stall is used is because it's good."
I'm afraid I must disagree, single occupancy restrooms are objectively superior.

[catandfishfc]

Watching this on 0.5 speed so I have extra time to analyse every point

[alexbrittonfilms]

BKC loading these "stall videos" when all I want to do is leave my comment as quickly as possible

[dumass]

Stall is probably hated because you need a gameplan on how to dismantle the opponents defensive core, which isn't needed as much in balance/HO where the focus isn't as much on defensive play.

I remember when i first started playing i hated stall because i hadn't even learned that game planning and win cons were a thing, i just liked to click the big damage button to kill things in front of me with epic predictions and powerful attacks (which I'm sure many can relate to) so when i played against stall, i was annoyed that my dragonite wasn't sweeping on turn 20 like other games

It usually takes a lot longer to break a stall core, which takes a lot more foresight and experience and actively taking part in a battle plan, which is why stall can be enjoyable to watch at a high level for experienced players, because they understand game planning to such an extent that it seems like second nature

[smob]

There is a concept I learned in magic the gathering, but it applies to many strategy games and I'm pretty sure pokemon. The concept is, if two strategies are roughly equal in power, and the players are equal in ability, the slower strategy is usually more powerful. You tend to have to trade off power and speed when building a deck or pokemon team. However, the faster strategy can win if it defeats the opponent before they can get started, or can cause the slow strategy to fail with early pressure. This causes a rock-paper-scissors dynamic. Massivly over simplifying, medium beats fast, slow beats medium, fast beats slow. In a mirror match, its often a good idea to slow down, since going faster is often harder in practice than slowing down.

[FeeNmene]

Honeslty, I think that everyone need to play stall at least a bit because it helps being a better player.
From my perspective, playing stall isn't very fun, but I feel like I learn more with this archetype.

[Loris]

I feel like part of the reason people hate stall is you usually realize when you’re gonna lose to stall and just get outlasted but then (if you don’t forfeit) it still takes a long time to actually play out and you are just going through the motions until you get worn down. It’s kinda like losing a game of monopoly where you realize there’s nothing you can do but the game still goes on for half an hour

[thepunisher]

Stall is bad because I’m bad at facing it so therefore it’s cheating and unfair

[saturnage]

everyone gangster until their opponent pulls out the 30 mins late -> peer pressured into playing -> triple stall team

[ElceePlaysCiv]

22:07 the way we refer to bulky things as fat has always cracked me up, always weird to read about people talking about good a pokemon is in the "fat mirror" etc

[subtodicerat]

stall teams are so hated that when i discuss about it i have to instead call them "defensive" teams