Jordan Peterson - Consciousness and the gap between values and facts

From 03 Harris/Murray/Peterson Discussion: Dublin

[monkeysaur]

I just had to call the fire brigade to put out my brain.

[mitchellkato]

Even if what Peterson says about the input and the out put of the mind there is a bigger issue of the self-referentiality. Or more so, the very reason that these speakers like to talk about the mind being input and output is to ignore the self-referentiality which gives humans the ability to think of the eternal. To think we have the soul.

[IslamoradaHO]

, Sponges are NOT composed of sensory motor cells. Sponges DO NOT have ANY sensory cells...
Why is this guy presenting such blatant misinformation?

Also, sponges don't "map the patterns of the waves ".

It doesn't "map" ANY "patterns".

Sponges are also present far beneath any "waves"... maybe this guy should've said "currents" instead of "waves"... but even then, sponges don't "map" currents either...

"It can only open and close pores" ... FALSE... some sponges are carnivorous and ensnare their prey instead of just opening their pores...

"It does 1 to 1 fact to value mapping no, it does not... Sponges don't analyze or map or plan or do anything like that...jesus, what the fuck is this guy talking about? Does he know how full of shit he is. Or does he actually think that he's presenting accurate

He started off making a vague claim about mechanisms between facts and values...he then blabbered about sponges and presenting flat out false info about sponges...

And then he said some crap about how complex organisms have more complexity than non complex organisms...abd then he said "that's the structure I'm talking about "

...wow...how insightful...i never knew that humans have more complex biology than less complex organisns...

Anyway, he goes on to say stuff like "you pick a single action because you can't act otherwise "

He could've left out all that bullshit about sponges, and started off with that line and then substantiated it....but he didn't do that...he basically asserted that people can only act if they pick a single action...

I can pick multiple actions and only exhibit one action..abd I can pick one action that includes multiple actions...

Again, what the hell is he talking about???

"The mechanism that reduces the number of facts to the selected actions the mechanism that mediates between facts and values "

What?!?! .... WHAT mechanism???? WHAT values????

Ugh.... this guy blabbered gibberish and didn't substantiate the claims he started off making...and he presented irrelevant and false information about sponges for no apparent reason other than to try to sound like he knows what he's talking about more so than his audience does...

He reminds me of Deepak Chopra. Babbling aimlessly about lots of different topics, in hopes that people will only focus on the most basic and obvious information and then use that to defend against the people criticizing him for not being substantive or focused on anything specific or relevant to what he started off blabbering about.

[LawfulRebelTV]

What a load of irrelevant nonsense. Peterson loses people in irrelevance to the issue. Values are determined by our nature, by the facts of reality (context) and lastly by our personal preferences.