Asking a Theoretical Physicist About the Physics of Consciousness | Roger Penrose | EP 244

Dr. Peterson recently traveled to the UK for a series of lectures at Oxford and Cambridge. This conversation was recorded during that period with Sir Roger Penrose, a British mathematical physicist who was awarded the 2020 Nobel Prize in Physics for “discovering that black hole formation is a robust predictor of Einstein’s general relativity.”

Moderated by Dr. Stephen Blackwood.

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Chapters
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[0:00] Intro
[1:00] Is Consciousness Computational?
[3:20] Turing Machines
[6:30] Determinism & the Arrow of Time
[12:15] Consciousness & Reductionism
[17:30] Emergent Randomness & Evolution
[23:00] The Tiling Problem, Computation, & AI
[29:30] Escher, Brains, Bach
[39:00] Pattern Recognition & Intuition
[45:30] Mathematical Representations & the Physical World
[54:00] Collapsing Schrodinger’s Equation
[1:00:00] Consciousness-Independent Reality
[1:07:00] Black Holes & Time Horizons
[1:15:00] Einstein’s Biggest Mistake
[1:27:00] Meaning & Consciousness
[1:39:00] Hawking Spots: Potential

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[makebritaingreatagain]

For all the problems of the modern world, the fact that I can so easily listen in on a conversation between two minds such as Penrose and Peterson makes me feel blessed.

[davidschultz]

Despite being a brilliant mathematician, Nobel laureate physicist, worldly acclaimed academic, I love how willing Sir Roger is to say "I don't know"

[lushbIood]

i appreciate peterson's courage to ask blindly in a field not his own. you can see a childlike eagerness and curiosity to know more.

[KssandraMontgomery]

What I LOVE about this talk is that questions are asked, they listen intently to each other until they have a good understanding, then there is answer. Nobody is getting self-righteous, or annoyed. THIS, my friend, is GREAT conversation!

[nrbaknrbak]

Never thought I would understand Dr. Penrose's answer more than Dr. Peterson's questions.

[AaronMartinProfessional]

After quitting my philosophy studies in university 10 years ago because I was bored out of my skull most of the time, I didn‘t think I would ever get this excited about a 100 minute long recording of 3 older men in a poorly lit room discussing intellectual topics.

[ThaLatePizzaBoi]

I am going to sit through this and pretend I understand every word of it.

[ashabulkahfi]

He is 90 years old and he is talking about advanced physics. That is another level of badass!

[jrhwood_]

I enjoy how careful and precise Roger Penrose is to make an erroneous connection between two seemingly related topics. As a physicist, he is concerned with the facts and reality, it is very much the case that two physics concepts are in fact very different, or else they would only require one law. He is concerned utmost with being factually correct, so as not to undermine his existing body of work and his own credibility as a Nobel Prize-winning scientist.

Contrary, Peterson plays with the framework of ideas, he draws the gist out of incredibly complicated ideas from many different fields and tries to refine his mental representations by adding similar examples, very Feynman method-like, and an example of multi-modal analysis. Jordan aims to find universal truths that can be reached across multiple levels of analysis from different fields, despite not specializing or understanding the finer mechanics of those fields.

This interview very much demonstrated the Harris vs. Peterson divide on the definition of truth. Penrose takes this as empirical, whereas Jordan is more open to metaphorical and narrative truths.

[pedroskipie]

First time I have heard Jordan sound more like the child rather than the father. Great conversation. Was nice to see Jordan's child like curiosity come out. Penrose is "off the scale" intelligent.

[chasethornton]

Dr. Peterson’s humility is refreshing. Never afraid to put his ideas out there. He is acutely aware of other points of view and and willing to adapt and refine his ideas. Always learning and progressing.

[isilver]

Thirty years ago when I was in grad school (physics), a philosophy professor asked me to lunch to discuss a concept that was bothering him. He asked about a statement he read that a photon feels no time. Watching this discussion I'm fascinated that Jordan seems to have focused on the same concept. The discussion ended up covering many aspects of physics and beyond. It was obviously memorable.

[ThaiChinaMalay]

I am so thankful that people like me can have access to this kind of thought provoking and educational discussions between people of great merit like Roger and Jordan. What a privilege and blessing. I feel so fortunate.

[maxineot]

I’m not an academic but for some reason listening and watching this discussion made my heart sing. Pure joy for me. Thank you to you BOTH!

[susanarupolo]

My admiration and love to Roger Penrose after this conversation have increased, he has so an incredible and humble mind. My blessings to him.

[baba-smfm]

Although the interview flapped during the first part, and the guest is aware of it, annoyed by the questions, the conversation improves when he speaks of his memories and experiences, but he is misunderstood or asked questions that do not relate to his field. He is strictly about physics, a genius! I thoroughly enjoyed listening to him towards the end, I think that we all learned a lot from this interview, including Peterson. We don't know what we don' t know.

[thucydides]

This guy is 91 years old. To maintain this level of mental wherewithal and wit in his advanced age is any thinking persons dream.

[thomaslangley]

I've never seen Dr Jordan Peterson so on the edge of his seat, asking questions and getting excited to hear what will be said or explained. I think it shows the true nature of Sir Roger Penrose' intelligence, and knowledge in general on these subjects. And just how interesting a subject it is.

[jamesli]

Truly grateful to Dr. Penrose and Dr. Peterson and Dr. Blackwood for making the conversation happen, and to all the people for their work in making it publicly accessible.

[CarlosManAl]

Simply wonderful. Thank you very very much. It is an immense pleasure to hear Sir Roger giving clear answers, as "No" or "I don't know"