Where Does Consciousness Come From?

[robertjensen]

My biology teacher stubbed his toe today and screamed.
Mitosis.

[PurpleSquirrels]

Discovering absolute and complete control over our emotions is equaled to mastering an entire universe from within.

[WoFDarkNewton]

“science can’t tell us what particles are, it can only tell us what particles do”

What they do defines what they are — the behavior *is* the definition. Peterson would phrase it better, but I think he’s thinking the same thing, as he’s touched on this in the past. We don’t see a cliff and infer it’s a falling-off place, we see a falling-off place and infer cliff. Even in our subconscious perception, we define the world based on what it does or causes to happen. Likewise, Peterson has also made the case that faith is best defined by how it causes you to behave.

This idea that you can (and should, and do) define something based on something other than what it does seems straightforward enough, but when you think about it, you realize that simply isn’t the case.

[Tea-lwbj]

Mr. Peterson, I've said it before and I will keep saying it: Please have a conversation with Bernardo Kastrup - ideally in combination (or as a separate interview) with Rupert Spira.
I really hope to witness the day this happens.
Wishing you and your family health and all other good things life has to offer. Thank you for what you are doing.

[keithboyer]

Wonderful, amazing. It's nice to see people getting closer to the answer. Consciousness is definitely not particles... I'm amazed to know that people actually believed this at all.

[killerseven]

It's that single particle that absorbed my energy of consciousness, I will live on just not my memories.

[MashDaddy]

Thought inspiration is random like lightning hitting a tree in a forest. Our circuit "lights up" a memory of: an emotion, a place, a sound, a person, a conversation. Even conditioned responses are variable 😊

[gavo]

Gödel’s incompleteness theorem proves this. A system within a system can never fully understand the whole.
We’ll need to transcend the 4 dimensions in which we perceive in order to fully comprehend these same 4 dimensions!
How would we transcend consciousness?

[Balthazar]

We are using consciousness to try to understand consciousness, which is an inevitable bias we can never avoid by definition

[princeofexcess]

Always is a strong word. It might always be missing. How can you be so sure.

[jordanlee]

Conscious awareness must have languages as a base part, it should be as a part logic analysis unit. We need units as an information unit to link these units and compare of each unit to calculate and get a result.

[alexchudilovski]

Flip it.
Define unconsciousness, is it sleep, or is it coma(anesthesia), is it routine tasks like running where most of the vestibular decisions are made unconsciously.

There is an experiment where reverse gear is put into the bicycle wheel, where an attempt to make a right turn will actually turn the bicycle to the left - that experiment challenges unconscious processes. Would struggle be the consciousness? And if there is no judgement call and anything is possible, getting back to a straight forward stirring wheel would challenge the consciousness?

In terms of mirror and mirror reflection; ability to perceive oneself as someone who can be two different things - which is not exactly wise to do(to mix spheres) therefore it is not only important to perceive self but also environment in which self manifest.

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Another angle, memory - for the most part memory from external reality, it is significantly much more difficult to imagine(recall) an internal state than to imagine(recall) a tree.

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To be conscious of another human being(another consciousness), here term fluctuations could be added, because two heads better than one, additional perspective can be summoned by another(and you better don't lose yours)...

[bob.bobman]

You can't have consciousness without memory. There is a strong correlation there. That may mean any living thing that demonstrates some form of long term learned behavior may have consciousness. Then there may be a whole other level of consciousness of emotion, awareness of surroundings, ability to put itself into a context of its environment and understand the world around it.

[jamespurchase]

And this, gentlemen, is why AI will never conquer the human race. It cannot replicate 'consciousness' because we know almost nothing about consciousness, where it comes from, where it is located. This is the realm of faith.

[willek]

This is based on a scientist who combined Freud (psycoptherapi) with neurology. He's based on a South African university. Name escapes me atm.

There are people who are born without a brain, as in their cortex is just liquid water, and the only thing left is the brain root. They clearly experience emotions and can express happiness and grief to the same stimuli as you and me. He had other examples as well, such as lacking inner cortex or frontal cortex. They could express themselves perfectly fine, even without aforementioned respective cortex.

The reason why we have consciousness, why it's developed, is so we can maintain homeostasis, the opposite of entropy. For example: If I feel a negative emotion, I can experience that negative emotion, and based on that warning system, take action so that the negative emotion is replaced with a better emotion, and thus no longer feel worse negative emotions in the future. It's a basic survival mechanism. Let's say you hold your hand over fire, and you feel gradually more heat, ergo you choose to withdraw your arm because you feel harm. That dreadful feeling prevented you from melting your arm. You can say some feelings have become instinctual, like fear of height or snakes.

I'm not sure I understand the point of this guy is, so I guess I should listen to the podcast.

[georgestark]

When confidence and ignorant arrogance come together in one person

[SMMore-bfyi]

Obviously there never be a clear cut answer now the question broken into so many layers, wondering have ppl run out of topics to debate, maybe it’s shape shifting perpetual energy creating awareness for all things, will that do ? How can there be an answer ?

[petershelton]

What a furfy If you know what something does then you know what it is 😂

[wesbatte]

By knowing what they do. May we step back and see the unification of those processes and call it consciousness?

I am greater than the sum of my parts. I am my parts and they are greater for working together.

One part may be able to output one parts work. However, two parts working together are able to output two point two parts work. The additional output is growth. Many hands make a light load.

[godless]

I wouldn't be so sure. And even if consciousness will always be elusive and mysterious, that doesn't give us the right to make up an answer involving magical imaginary bullshit.