STOP! Do NOT wait for the M2 Ultra Mac Pro.. (New Leaks)

The Apple Silicon Mac Pro has been in the works for YEARS by Apple. However, it looks like there is some TERRIBLE brand new news concerning it. Let me explain..

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[MaxTechOfficial]

Are YOU gonna wait for the Mac Pro? Or just buy another Mac right now? Comment below!
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[zeroFrequency]

I find these speculation videos to be quite boring and well speculative. I would rather some concrete information or even some tutorials.

[martinwoodfilms]

No RAM upgrades? That’s the whole point of buying a huge desktop (upgrades)

[utubekullanicisi]

This video is the worst videos you've ever done distilled into one video, and here's everything wrong with it:
1. How are you both excited about PCIe expansion staying and lack of a redesign with a smaller form factor? Those things contradict each other. And the lack of a weird two-tiered RAM structure where the soldered RAM is LPDDR and socketed RAM is DDR isn't surprising either, since for that you'd need two kinds of memory controller on the M1 Pro and upwards (since M1 Pro and M1 Ultra are based on the M1 Max die) which would bloat up the die size and I'm not even sure would be possible.
2. The dGPU situation isn't Apple not allowing third party graphics drivers, it's the lack of graphics drivers from thrid parties optimized for ARM.
3. The existense of Apple dGPUs won't allow them to increase margins, the dGPUs will have similar margins to the Mac Pro, it will onlyallow them to increase revenue, if even that because developing their own dGPUs wil cost them a lot of money.
4. M1 Ultra doesn't have any scaling issues, and the issue you wrote about with your "exclusive source" doesn't exist. The developer that ported Linux to Apple silicon debunked your theory, and even your source hishnash (who, to be fair, is a very knowledgeable person and isn't really the one at fault here) liked his post. And famous ex-Anandtech writer Andrei Frumusanu, who now works at Nuvia, the company that ex-Apple chip engineers created and now bought by Qualcomm, told you you're wrong as well. Of course, sometimes we observed less than 100% scaling on the M1 Ultra compared to the Max, but it's not surprising that the scaling on a dual-die chip wouldn't be 100% all the time. But the same is also true for traditional monolithic chips. Apple did a damn good job of scaling up the M1 Max performance by 100% as much as possible. The thing only thing that didn't scale up by 100% was video encode/decode, but that's natural and the expectation of that speeding up by 100% comes from the misunderstanding that those workloads would be able to be parallelized across multiple encode/decode blocks. In fact for a single video stream only one of those media blocks would be active, and the M1 Max or Ultra having more than one block for a specific video codec wouldn't result in a performance increase and you would only see any difference if you took multiple video projects and exported them at the same time, that's when you would see close to a 100% speedup since the CPU and GPU are 2x the M1 Max as well.
5. The M2 chip is a stop-gap chip in a way that every new chip stands on the shoulders of older ones. The M3 generation won't be any different than the M2 in this regard. Now I would agree that the M3 will probably be a bigger upgrade from M2, but that doesn't mean the M2 is a small upgrade and it's not worth being called M2 instead of "M1+". The extra 2 E-cores, 35% faster GPU, 50% higher memory bandwidth AND capacity, and the 8K H264/HEVC media blocks alone make them meaningful upgrades. Nothing outside of 8K video workloads thanks to hardware acceleration will be more than 50% faster, but most workloads will be 30-40% faster and that's still a very good generational uplift, and shows that Apple made use of every bit of the generational improvements that TSMC's N5P brought over N5 and it's not an "overclocked M1".
6. Even if they continue to be on 5nm and not 3nm, that won't stop them from bringing these upgrades that I mentioned, as the M2 on 5nm got them. The only thing 3nm would bring to the table is less watts per performance in daily and heavy workloads which would increase battery life and reduce throttling (which isn't that much of a problem in Macs anymore to begin with, but would help something like the 14" M1 Max MacBook Pro in light use battery life and throttling when you push the CPU and GPU at the same time), but it won't be as meaningful when they aren't making use of 3nm but just siply porting an existing design to a newer node since the feature set won't change.
7. I highly doubt those leaked Geekbench scores are real. They came from a Geekbench user called 'iro' and that person has a score for a "Mac Pro" with an i9-13900KF inside (a Hackintosh). So chances are he knows how to fake a Geekbench score.
8. The Mac Studio won't not get updated until 2025, that is an absurd thought. I think each SKU of the M chip family will have a release cadence of 18 months, and each product that these chips will go into will also have an 18-month cadence. So while an M2 Ultra chip could be ready, it won't mean all of the products that have it will be updated at the same time. But the same won't be true vice versa, i.e the new version of a product won't be released before the new chip is out, even if the rest of the components for the product is ready. And the reason for this staggered timeline is that a company can only work on so many products at the same time, especially one like Apple who likes to work on fewer products at the same time but *arguably* make each one more refined. All of that said, I think one way Apple could differentiate an M2 Ultra Mac Studio from an M2 Ultra Mac Pro is more RAM. While it won't have socketed RAM support, there are higher density soldered LPDDR memory dies out there than the densest dies Apple uses, which would let the M2 Ultra support higher than the rumored 192GB of max memory. Apple's presumably not used those up till now out of power draw concerns considering what kind of form factors got updated to ASi so far (MacBooks and small form factor desktops), and the pricing structure probably wouldn't make sense either since you'd pay more for memory than the entire rest of a MacBook Pro if you paid for 384GB of memory, whereas that price structure makes more sense for a Mac Pro.
Hopefully you won't be offended by these criticisms and instead take all of these with an open mind and try to improve because I want this channel to be better.

[theakc]

The thing which hits me hard is no upgradability in RAM. It's gonna be an extremely expensive device and no upgradability means no future proofing. I think we should better go for a Mac studio

[alexandersokolov]

I’ll wait for a 2025 model. But by the time 2025 comes around I’ll probably wait for a 2027 or 2028 model. Then again, maybe it’s worth to get a 2024 model, but I heard 2026 model will be a lot faster, so I can’t decide yet.
I’ll probably stick with a 2028 model, just to be safe, unless 2030 will use new architecture, then I’ll wait for 2030.

[MichaelArgentini]

There's no way the Mac Pro represents 43% of sales. Is that chart 2022 year over year?

[andrewgrant]

I suspect the Mac Pro is selling so well is because a lot of people still need a high end expandable Intel Mac.

[vladimir]

Obviously, apple has abandoned this market segment…

[lolfirepoisonftl]

The decision to buy a discounted 14"/16" MacBook Pro back in Nov/Dec or going with the Mac Studio is starting to look better and better now.

[ikicaq]

Man, who really cares anymore. The laptops and studio are so amazingly fast that it doesn’t really matter.

[chrismarinohardin]

There’s just no way the Mac Pro ships with the same chip as the Studio but the old case without something to differentiate it. PCIe slots, tiered expandable RAM, or something.

[alexprivates]

We don’t know what will happen. We will see how upgradeable the new Mac Pro will be…

[ste]

I always thought that smaller screens were going to keep the market going for many years ( MacBooks with 13” ) but it’s all about money budget after all. The 16” it’s better on many different points. The market has to change, the price range is growing but the quality is being the same. They should probably consider to put them down or they will have the same results on selling as they had for the iPhones 14 pro.

[chrismarinohardin]

While the M2 Max will probably be a “stopgap”, I personally believe it will end up having the same GPU that got nixed from the A16. I.e. hardware based Ray tracing. It’s less thermally constrained than a phone. Also, now that the M2 has the media engine the Pro/Max models need something to differentiate them. And Apple already added a raytracing API to Metal.

[PersonSuit]

I just had a thought. What if the chips Apple is making right now on 3nm is actually for Apples new GPU card. I still think it is very possible that Apple could be creating a whole new tier of CPU like a X1 or something like that on 3nm specifically for the MacPro. Can't wait to see what they end up doing.

[dazzer]

The Studio/Mac Pro are very evenly matched right now - the only real advantage with the ‘19 Pro is expansion options. Apple have designed themselves into an SOC corner. Without RAM and GPU swap out ability, there seems to be very little point.

[dmug]

Max Tech proving to us yet again he’s able to read Bloomberg.

[xanxus]

There's no way that the new Mac Pro will be the same size as the 2019 version.

[hemantishwaran]

I have the intel Mac Pro with 1.5TB RAM which I need for my professional work and I am so happy with it of course I would never worry about the new Mac Pro and don’t care for an upgrade that will never come close to the memory I have