MORTARION AND THE SIGILLITE! THEIR HISTORY UPON TERRA

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Today we discuss Mortarions relationship with Malcador the Sigillite!

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[michaelhowell]

The Emperor, Malcador and Primarchs are an immediate like and watch. It's just the way it is.

[kreor]

Its very possibly that Mortarian simply didn't realise just HOW important the Webway was. After all, Malcador may have told him of the webway project, but I bet he conveniently left out the bit about chaos, and Mortarian may have subtly picked up that malcador still wasn't telling him everything.

[phage]

Imagine your "uncle" that you barely know who is a psycher that you distrust takes you to a room and shows you a picture of Nikaea and tells you "your destiny awaits there."
Your thoughts would probably along the lines of: "what is this old man smoking?" "An odd way of avoiding me dad, thanks."

[davidthomas]

It wouldn't violate cannon if Angron and Kurz were found and brought back WHILE Mortarion was on terra being treated. It could help explain why Angrons reunion was the way it was; the emporer had to rush home to tend to 2 wounded sons now

[tincano-beans]

I like how the emperor can't even be bothered to be with his son when he grounds them at home lol.

[fumarc]

They call him Morty the Moocher
He was a lowdown hoochie coocher
He was the roughest, toughest frail
But Morty had a heart as big as a whale

[yeoldchief]

It was a mistake to keep Mortarian on Terra. After his imprisonment, I doubt it would have sat at all well.
Mortarian tried to resist Nurgle as much more than he resisted the Emperor, and is known to abhor having any master... This is probably why he got on with the Khan, a thirst for freedom.

[yetipotato]

I think Mortarion and his legion were supposed to be just another siege legion/mainstream legion to defend the imperium together with army etc. But it went wrong when Mortarion got too fucked up by Barbados.

Mortarion saw the strife of humans on his planet and joined them to defend them, but planet and necromancers were so toxic he lost all compassion for weak humans. Then when even he failed made him think he is weak too. Thus we have a toxic and sceptical Morty with no hope.

[Geyser]

I find Mortarion's insecurity compelling, personally, because I suffer from the same kinds of insecurity. When you're filled with as much self-loathing and self-doubt as Mortarion is, it's easy to dismiss other people's trust and value of you as lies and assume that they're manipulating you. I think that was what was going on when Mortarion continued to complain about not being valued--he only believed what Malcador was saying while he was in that room, and within a few hours, he was looking back on that conversation and telling himself that Malcador must have been lying and trying to placate him (after all, he had just been trying to kill Malcador, surely anyone would lie in *that* situation...). Remember that he grew up with no positive reinforcement of any kind, just lies and manipulation and being told over and over again that he was worthless, no matter what he did.

[bliblivion]

12:57 i desagree, some primarchs are more resilient to the warp than others, Mortarion is one of them ( he was not corrupted by chaos, he choose coruption to save his legion)

[foxiecool]

I always love these breakdowns when there's the primarch, the emperor/ Malcador involved. Just so much packed into their relationship, Rho speaks 🔥🔥🔥, when everything it stripped away- it always comes down to a father's love and his children trying to be loved.

[joevines]

It really makes you wonder what the 2nd and 11th primarchs did to get erased from history.

[Ttrouble]

Lanterns light is another good and interesting short story about Morty, I really hope you cover that one day. I'm also really hoping you talk about the ending of The Buried Dagger.

[Ventruethful]

10:22 "conversation" ? That's an interesting way to spell "unspeakeable violence with genocidal levels of collateral damage" Wolf Lord

[josephskiles]

Gotta agree about the Horus heresy short stories they are excellent. Favorite by far are the ones by ADB, that guy just writes a compelling story

[jihost]

All of them were damaged by the scattering because even in the "positive" cases, they were influenced by their adoptive cultures; whereas if they had stayed on Terra as intended then they wouldve become the honed weapons that the Emperor intended.

[matthewtoloczko]

So that's why he did the shake down to Magnus that day. He knew his brother's ultimate fate.

[maxmumchrs]

When you realize that the Primarchs who betrayed the Emperor, the ones that Chaos corrupted, were the very Primarchs that the Emperor Valued the most. Horus, the favored son, Perturabo, the Lord of Iron, Mortarion, the one who The Emperor wanted to heal the most, Magnus, the one who the Emperor destined to take the Golden Throne. It truly is painful when you think about it

[mlpsh]

At this point Mortarion perhaps doesn't know about Curze and Angron and thus can't have known how bad it was them.

[BillofTheCity]

If you all like Primarchs, go read Blood of the Emperor, An Anthology. Good reads. It's he only thing that I've read that explains Horus before he was Horus. There are other Primarchs too, six stories in all.