Predestination vs Fatalism

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God dignifies us with free will, the power to make decisions of our own rather than having God or fate predetermine what we do. Consider what the Bible teaches.

God created humans in his image. (Genesis 1:26) Unlike animals, which act mainly on instinct, we resemble our Creator in our capacity to display such qualities as love and justice. And like our Creator, we have free will.

To a great extent, we can determine our future. The Bible encourages us to “choose life . . . by listening to [God’s] voice, ” that is, by choosing to obey his commands. (Deuteronomy 30:19, 20) This offer would be meaningless, even cruel, if we lacked free will. Instead of forcing us to do what he says, God warmly appeals to us: “O if only you would actually pay attention to my commandments! Then your peace would become just like a river.”—Isaiah 48:18.

Our success or failure is not determined by fate. If we want to succeed at an endeavor, we must work hard. “All that your hand finds to do, ” says the Bible, “do with your very power.”(Ecclesiastes 9:10) It also says: “The plans of the diligent one surely make for advantage.”—Proverbs 21:5.

Free will is a precious gift from God, for it lets us love him with our “whole heart”—because we want to.—Matthew 22:37.

Doesn’t God control all things?

The Bible does teach that God is Almighty, that his power is not limited by anyone other than himself. (Job 37:23; Isaiah 40:26) However, he does not use his power to control everything. For example, the Bible says that God was “exercising self-control” toward ancient Babylon, an enemy of his people. (Isaiah 42:14) Similarly, for now, he chooses to tolerate those who misuse their free will to harm others. But God will not do so indefinitely.—Psalm 37:10, 11.

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Biblical Predestination
The Scriptures teach that God, with His eternal wisdom and foreknowledge, has predestined (i.e. predetermined or foreordained) certain things about the salvation of man. But what has He predestined? Some teach that God's predetermination concerning man's salvation is unconditional and selective. That is, God, before He created the world, unconditionally predetermined specifically the individuals whom He would save and those who would be lost. However, the Scriptures teach that God's predestination as to who will be saved is conditional upon each individual's choice to be in His Son Jesus Christ.
There are some grave problems with the teaching that states God has unconditionally predestined certain individuals to be saved and others to be lost. First, if God elected to save one individual and not save another without condition, this would make God a respecter of persons. However, this is what the Scriptures plainly state that God is not. "There is no partiality with God" (Rom. 2:11; also see 1Pet. 1:17).
Second, such teaching denies that God desires the salvation of all men. Yet, Jesus Himself declared, "God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him might not perish but have everlasting life" (Jn. 3:16). How could Jesus die for "whosoever" if God, before the foundation of the world, had already determined who would be saved and who would be lost? The apostle Peter states, "God is not willing for any to perish, but for all to come to repentance" (2Pet. 3:9). Paul too says, God "desires all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth" (1Tim. 2:4). God desires the salvation of all men not just a select few.
A third thing that shows such a concept of God predestination to be false is that it makes the preaching of the gospel in vain. God desires all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth. Thus, Jesus commanded that the gospel be carried into "all the world" and proclaimed to "every creature" (Mk. 16:15). But why preach to all men if it has been predetermined who will be saved and who will be lost? In fact, why bother to preach at all? If an individual is one whom God has predetermined to be lost, all the preaching in the world couldn't change his condition. On the other hand, if an individual is one whom God has elected to save unconditionally, why preach to him, would not God save him anyway? Christ commanded the gospel to be preached to all because salvation is conditional upon each individual's acceptance or rejection of that gospel.
Finally, this doctrine eliminates man's responsibility. It teaches that one's salvation has nothing to do with his willingness to obey, but is all predetermined by God. Yet, Jesus spoke of those whom He wanted to come to Him but they would not (Lk. 13:34). Coming to Jesus involves willingness on our part, to believe and obey (cf. Mk. 16:16). Our salvation involves responsibilities and conditions that must be met by us.
God's predetermination was not to unconditionally save select individuals and for others to be lost, but rather a predetermination to save the collective or the group of those who would meet certain conditions that He would set forth in the gospel of Christ. A basketball coach may predetermine who is going to be on the team before the first cut is ever made. That doesn't mean that he names the specific individuals that will make the team, but that he sets forth certain conditions. For example, a coach may decide before hand, "All those who will be on the team will: 1) Have a certain grade point average. 2) Be a certain height. 3) Be present at every practice and show second effort, etc." Thus, the coach has predetermined who will be chosen for the team, though he never mentioned anyone specifically by name. In the same way God has predetermined who the chosen are. He chose that the saved would be those who, by their obedience, would choose to be "in Christ" (see, Eph. 1:4-7).
How is it that people come to be in Christ? It is not through a predetermined unconditional election. Paul explains that we come to be in Christ through faith and obedience. "For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ" (Gal. 3:26-28). This is what Jesus commanded to be preached to every creature. "He that believes and is baptized shall be saved, he that disbelieves shall be condemned" (Mk. 16:16). Salvation is conditional based upon our willingness to obey the commands of Jesus. Are you among those whom God has predetermined to save?

[thedonsj]

Okay many words saying absolutly NOTHING

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And if no one plays any role in choosing salvation, then how do you know if you're one of the elect??? Calvinism is heresy

[DarrelSimon]

It's fatalistic in either way, whether or not our Heavenly Father Jehovah God (Yahweh Elohim Allah) has a purpose and will with our destiny and fate or not!



In fact, according to the prophet Moses Levi (1593 B.C. - 1473 B.C.) in the Adamic covenant the only two (2) rights given to the Patriarch Adam and his wife Eve by our Heavenly Father Jehovah God (Yahweh Elohim Allah) was the right to have dominion over the planet Earth and it's bounty:

Genesis 1: 1 - 31 (28 - 30)
JST Genesis 1: 1 - 33 (28 - 32)
LDS PoGP Moses 2: 1 - 31 (28 - 30)
LDS PoGP Abraham 4: 1 - 31 (28 - 31)

and the right to choose:

Genesis 2: 1 - 25 (15 - 17)
JST Genesis 2: 1 - 31 (18 - 22)
LDS PoGP Moses 3: 1 - 25 (15 - 17)
LDS PoGP Abraham 5: 1 - 21 (11 - 13)!

But Jehovah God granted these two (2) rights with the expectation that all humans would "choose the right" and would make the right decisions (in which they would be rewarded), but if humans made the wrong decisions (then they would be punished).

Whenever Jehovah God tells you to do anything! If you obey ("choose the right") then you will be rewarded, BUT if you disobey (make the wrong choice) then you will be punished!

What is truth? The truth is/are the facts correctly interpreted! The facts are this: your rights come from a government, your rights DO NOT come from God! Let me repeat that for you: your rights come from government and not God! That's a fact, as government can grant you rights and government by the same token can take those rights away. Whether it is right or wrong is irrelevant! We Christians are told by the apostle Paul (Saul Benjamin) (3 - 67) and the apostle and Pope-President Simon Bar-Jonah (Peter) (10 B.C. - 67 A.D.) to obey governments no matter what type they are: Romans 13: 1 - 14 (1 - 7), 1 Timothy 2: 1 - 15 (1 - 7), Titus 3: 1 - 15 (1 - 8), 1 Peter 2: 1 - 25 (13 - 17). Jesus never said that Christians should pursue Democracy! Whoever said to you that Jehovah God favored freedom over government?

In fact, according to the prophet Moses Levi (1593 B.C. - 1473 B.C.) in the Adamic covenant the only two (2) rights given to the Patriarch Adam and his wife Eve by our Heavenly Father Jehovah God (Yahweh Elohim Allah) was the right to have dominion over the planet Earth and it's bounty: Genesis 1: 1 - 31 (28 - 30), JST Genesis 1: 1 - 33 (28 - 32), Moses 2: 1 - 31 (28 - 30), Abraham 4: 1 - 31 (28 - 31), and the right to choose: Genesis 2: 1 - 25 (15 - 17), JST Genesis 2: 1 - 31 (18 - 22), Moses 3: 1 - 25 (15 - 17), Abraham 5: 1 - 21 (11 - 13)! But Jehovah God granted these two (2) rights with the expectation that all humans would "choose the right" and would make the right decisions (in which they would be rewarded), but if humans made the wrong decisions (then they would be punished).