Was Count Dooku Serious About Overthrowing Palpatine?

Count Dooku was relatively old when he was taken on as Darth Sidious' apprentice, did he still have the energy and will to try to kill his master?

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[logicaldude]

I always felt like Dooku was using Sidious without realizing Sidious was using him as well. I think when he asked Obi-Wan to join him so that they could destroy the Sith, I think he was being serious. He was consumed by his own quest for power and his own intellect, that's why he was so shocked when Sidious lets Anakin kill him. An actual Sith would have seen that coming. I don't think Dooku really liked either side, he just thought Sidious would be springboard to get him into the position he wanted.

[QuietStorm]

I believe that Count Dooku was like every other Sith apprentice in the Rule of Two era. They waited until they felt they were strong enough to kill their masters. The problem is Dooku realized very early on that he would never be strong enough to overthrow Sidious by himself. He knew he need help. He needed an apprentice that was still enough/inexperienced enough that they needed a teacher, but was also powerful enough that would be an asset in his to overthrow Sidious. Sidious realized what Dooku was trying to do so he would always eliminate the threat by having Dooku kill his assassins like Ventress, and his Dark Jedi followers. Dooku was serious about wanting to destroy Sidious, he just wasn't powerful enough to do it by himself.

[legendofconquest]

He was an idealist. He believed that when the Jedi order were crushed, that Palpatine would make a new Empire and he would be a head of state with immense power. Once the his name was cleared of his war crimes by Sidious and the Galaxy had political stability, Count Dooku would have stuck Sidious down. He was unable to do so sooner because he felt he needed Sidious still... To manipulate the Republic and teach him the ways of the Sith...

[GodzillaX]

In the Vader comics, Palpatine reflects on his past apprentices with Vader & mentions how he saw Dooku as a torpedo, he had a specific function and once he did it, was gone

[quiksilverjuce]

Palpatine: Do it!
Anakin: No, it is not the jedi way.
Palpatine: It's treason then.

[skyguy]

I think we can all agree that Christopher Lee is a great actor.

[rustyshackleford]

Fun fact! In the Brazilian release of the prequels, Count Dooku was changed to Count Dookan, as Dooku means dirty stuff in the Brazilian dialect

[SuperWindsage]

the problem was essentially a Maul and Opress on Mandalore.
at the height of their power and influence Sideous shows up unannounced to lay the smack down on his new rival.

with someones abilities like Sideous, it would have been trivial for him to sneak past droids and ambush Dooku if he ever decided to go rouge, there was no where that Dooku could easily hide from him.


so yes in terms of resources he had alot that could have very easily lead him to be the most influential person in the galaxy... but the fear that Palpatine might show up to lay the smack downw as constant.
and he KNEW this, its why he was trying to train up an apprentice good enough that together they could defeat Sideous. which is why Sideous ordered it cut off at the knees, order Ventress death.
alone Dooku was not enough, he could give a good fight but he would inevitably die and fall.
he should have done one of his kidnapp attempts on Palaptine and then blow him up in space.

[chrisdathe]

That would be a great "what if" if he had follow through with it. Count dooku was one of my favorite siths from the movies and series.

[llliwwille]

I really enjoyed douku in the movies. He seemed so calculating and intelligent, not even a truly evil man. In the clone wars I quite dislike him. He seems pure evil and ruthless. He isn’t interesting at all. He is just evil looking and a murderer. It’s really disappointing to see how they handled him. They didn’t expand on his moralities, his backstory, or his politics. If anything clone wars soured his characterization in the movies

[tba]

Dooku understood government, military operations, interplanetary business, and the Jedi Order, he was a charismatic speaker and leader, and he was an exceptionally gifted duelist capable of taking on multiple Jedi simultaneously and winning. He even had the guts to tell the Jedi to get bent and leave when they crossed a line - and then do it again with the entire Republic by becoming the public face of the Separatists. By rights, he should have been one of the most acclaimed men of his time.

As the leader of the Separatists, I think he'd planned for one of two outcomes. First, he and Palpatine could split the galaxy between them as the war dragged on into a stalemate and the Republic accepted the CIS's secession. Second, Dooku could continue play the game, allow the CIS to be defeated, and then sweep in and unmask Sidious after the Sith master had done the heavy lifting in unifying the galaxy. If anyone was charismatic enough to play off such a deep-cover infiltration story, it would be Dooku.

The way I see it, there are really just two reasons Dooku wasn't even more of an existential threat to Palpatine. First, because he'd only been a Sith for a bare handful of years, compared to Palpatine's decades of careful planning and study. If Dooku had been laying plans for his own attempt at direct galactic domination for even a quarter as long as Palpatine had, then he would have better understood the risks of betrayal.

Second, Palpatine had had Dooku running his ass off managing the CIS, its war effort, and a dozen other projects for years. Skilled as Dooku was at that sort of thing, he was just spread too thin to spend more time looking after all the potential pitfalls of working for a Sith. I think that's why practically every time we see him, he's making a recruitment offer: he needed allies who had no love for Palpatine, because Dooku knew a betrayal from Sidious was on its way at some point.

That, I think, was the source of Dooku's shocked expression at the end: "Wait, what? You're just betraying me _directly, _ right to my face in public? No secretive assassins or convoluted politics, just a flat 'kill him'?! You bastard!"

[Kylorenz]

Count dookie was underated but no vader, christopher lee was such a powerful actor! One of the many greats in star wars & many others

[zelithfang]

This was actually one question I always had. Was Count Dooku actually trying to over throw his Master, and would it have been the classic sith "help me overthrow my Master, and we'll rule the galaxy together!". Part of me says no. Dooku wasn't your ruin of the mill dark Jedi/sith. The complete lack of sith eyes shows this. Palp was able to hide his but Dooku never had them. He wasn't as evil as the rest of them and he didn't allow the dark side to corrupt him as much as everyone else, this being one of the running theories as to why his eyes are normal. Anyway I wonder if he had second thoughts about the whole plan. He didn't outright hate the entirety of the Jedi order, he just felt like the lost their way and allowed themselves to become corrupted by all the politics. So destroying the whole Jedi order I never thought was what he would have wanted. The only reason why he gave Obi this one and only chance was because Obi was the apprentice of Gin which was also the apprentice of Dooku when he was still a Jedi. This wasn't the first time he tired to get Obi to join him.

[kennithunderwood]

RIP Christopher Lee he was one talented badass!

[QuintusAntonious]

Had Dooku existed during Vitiate's Sith Empire, he'd have been an excellent Sith minister or bureaucrat. He was, in many ways, a Sith Lord from another time in a place where he'd never really have a chance of succeeding.

[jeffcordova]

Even as a 9 year old kid, it felt like Dooku was being genuine, he wanted to destroy Palpatine and when he asked Obi wan it was his one and ONLY TIME he would make this offer

[DavidBrown-mjtd]

The look of shock from dookoo when Palpatine ordered Anakin to kill him.

[randomericthings]

Imagine if he asked General Grievous and Ventress to help him duel Sidious.

[OrionKaelinClips]

Just realized a Marvel "What If?" style series for Star Wars would be really cool.

[lerneanlion]

The Sith should established something like "rights to challenge one another in the arena of life and dead" instead of keep backstabbing one another. In this arena, the Sith can always go with the concept of "everyone is responsible for their own lives in the arena" and get away with killing the opponent in the arena. As for the how the Sith worked as an organization, the rest is up to favoratism. Like I said before, the apprentices keep finding more and more masters to train, learn and do something for them while those masters will defend them from the enemies for their own interests that they will gain from the apprentices.