John Piper's Faulty View Of Determinism, Intuition & Assumptions w/@BraxtonHunter | Leighton Flowers

John Piper explains his view of presuppositions in light of the determinism vs. free will debate. Braxton Hunter of Trinity Radio joins Dr. Leighton Flowers to discuss whether John Piper is correct in his approach to the Bible and Soteriology.

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[rolandovelasquez]

J Piper is one of the best contortionists I have ever seen. He's simply incredible! Unequaled 😅

[bigdogboos]

i have finally left my church of 10 yrs because i just cannot stand this kind of doctrine anymore. it eats your soul away and makes you cold to suffering (it was all God's will, and his will is always good, so therefore all the suffering and evil that happens is good). The calvinist God is a monster, and not what God reveals himself to be in scripture. I tried the "agree to disagree" for a long time, but it's just become one of the major doctrines for me, that i cannot attend a church over.

[jaycenaicker]

Thank you Leighton for making scripture so clear to understand.

[Dilley_G]

Somebody tell.them.cavinists that Calvin and Zwinglys writings are NOT part of scripture. The whole reformation started about sola scriptura and sola fidae. Not about replacing the pope with Calvin

[cecilspurlockjr.]

Once again, calvinistic determinism corruptly portrays GOD and HIS righteousness . It proves a type of insanity to claim its correct to punish someone for something you have forced them to do from birth without any choice to do otherwise.

[mikeshahan]

If God determines everything and we are not free what is the point of preaching the gospel? What is the point of prayer? If God has determined everything, how can we love? How can we hate? How can we obey or disobey? Calvinism is riddled with logical impossibilities and moral non sequiturs. And why would God give us deceptive intuitions? I will say it: If we are not free to choose then God is unfair to judge. If Calvinism is true then we can live as we please and the outcome is the same as if we lived a righteous life. We needn't worry ourselves about obedience since it is beyond our control. We needn't worry ourselves about the unsaved since it is God's sovereign plan that they be that way. Calvinism is logical insanity.

[titosantiago]

Is it not free-will vhen John Piper use to believe in free-will but then chose to believe in determinsm? How did he test and reason logically to come to his new belief if not through the use of his free-will? Deception is the word that comes to mind.

[titosantiago]

According to Calvinism, God determines Christians to have contradicting theological views, which means no one can ever know who is and is not being deceived. Calvinism is a mockery of the faithful God of Truth.

[wfxxfox]

So let me see if I understand Piper... he believes God determines literally everyone's behavior, punishes them when said behavior disobeys the law HE created, then declares it to be free will, at least... some form of it?!? Ima need at least ONE book/chapter/verse that clearly states this completely illogical and unjust theological belief! But serious question: how does someone as smart as Piper come to this belief; or put another way, how can ANYONE fail to see the canyon-size holes of logic and injustice existing in such an obviously man-made theology? How I would LOVE to know where the disconnect happened to get men such as Piper, McArthur, Lawson, Baucham et al to really believe, teach and preach this inane doctrine!

[jackshadow]

The opposite of “free will” is not “no will” — the opposite of “free will” is “enslaved will.” Sin does enslave our independent wills, but not to the degree that Calvinists believe. To make right decisions, one must know the truth about what one is deciding. You shall know the truth and the truth will set you free.

[mikelyons]

Kids you can get all your toys out, draw on the walls & eat spaghetti right out of the can in your bedroom... how dare you!!! Look at this room? You are all in big trouble, except for Timmy. I have decided he is randomly exhonorated.

[dpcrn]

When bringing these short clips out of a longer video, I think it would be a good idea to link to that longer video in the description. For example, I don’t remember watching this longer video and I will try to go back and find it. The shorts are wonderful. But adding that will help for times when we want to go back for more in-depth study. Thank you for all your hard work on making these clips.

[titosantiago]

God deliver us from this lie called Calvinism.

[lauren]

The more I hear this kind of stuff from him the more I feel for his son!!! This drives people to despair and is so insane!!
His son needs to trust in Jesus but I understand his reaction to his understanding of Christianity which is just hardcore Calvinism.

[ElephantInTheRoom]

i am in the process of trying to show my calvinistic brothers that they don’t need the extra baggage of calvinism to be Biblical. So far it appears that not only do i not understand calvinism, i must have never been a calvinist, and that i am in denial.

I preach in A LOT of places……… once.

[bobbyadkins]

If a person who believes like John Piper is saved, how they could be so would have to be a MYSTERY.

[Jebron_G]

Great points!! How's the gospel good news when the majority of humanity is predetermined and sentenced to go to hell forever ?? What kind of good news is it when majority of your children are determined to die eternally? Horrible news is a lot more suitable in the Calvinistic view, which is why Calvinism is totally unbiblical!

[eiontactics]

Who Jesus died for, etc. Are core essential fundamentals of Christianity. Calvinism twists the Gospel, God and Jesus. It is not Biblical Christianity. It is another false religion that masquerades as Christianity, just like Mormonism, JW, etc.

Paul says that anyone preaching another Gospel is accursed.

[lmorter]

In order to believe in divine determinism one has to deliberately check their common sense and reasoning at the door.

[cjphillips]

Thank you for the video. Commenting for the Algorithm.