Advanced Sci-fi Civilisations Too Stupid To Really Exist Ep.16 - Panem

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1. The Demons (Cowboys and Aliens 2011)

2. The Pakleds (Star Trek)

3. Bregna (Aeon Flux 2005)

4. The Machines (The Matrix series)

5. The Thermians (Galaxy Quest 1999)

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[disastermanagement]

"We join our heroine Katniss, a rebellious teen who rages against any and all authority figures" while showing her throwing objects at a cat.

[freman]

The problem with including gladiatorial combat is that most gladiatorial combat wasn't to the death. Gladiators were professional fighters, almost like modern MMA, and while there were times when they fought to death, most times it was just to blood. Some even gained fat so they could take a bigger cut, hence more blood, without threatening their lives.

A bunch of barely trained teens wouldn't put on a very good show.

[supremegodemperorpalpatine]

Snow was sadly mistaken about one thing: hope isn't the only thing stronger than fear. There's also hate; you get enough people in society hating you, they won't care what they have to do to take you down. While it's true that hate far from the best option, in desperate times it's better than nothing.

[squarecross]

You could have a field day with the civilizations and villains from Maze-Runner or Divergent. As a matter of fact, the whole YA-Dystopia-genre could probably pay your bills for an entire decade xD

[ashleighhouska]

The actual Hunger Games werent made to keep the districts afraid of the capitol, they were made to literally pit the districts against each other. Can't organize against your oppressors if you are confused about who the villains are.

[IndirectCogs]

Gale also lost the love triangle battle for being the mastermind behind the evil double bombs that killed Primrose. He effectively killed Katniss' sister via war crime.

[Shatterverse]

"I've got a bow... none of this makes any sense."

[UncleMikeDrop]

They did get the girl a gun and it became Divergent.

[JohnnyCageRock]

I have read the book and I always cringed when I heard people say "Katniss is a role model".
Like especially for the books.
Spoilers ahead










Katniss is what actually happens when someone with no real heroic qualities is forced/made to be a hero by others while going through an obscene amount of trauma. I mean yes she volunteered instead of her weak and sick little sister sure, but everything that she does is for her and her family to survive. She is not very altruistic, forgiving, particularly clever or tactically gifted. I think she literally says something along the line of: "I'm not a hero, I'm just a girl that know how to use a bow and arrow." In the third book she risks the lives of her whole team and her best friend just so that she can kill Snow personally. She also voted to keep the Hunger games going but throwing in the people of the Capitol instead. She didn't even really know if Coin did the bombing she just couldn't see the difference between Snow and Coin and didn't care. In the end, she only has a loose grip on reality, frequent nightmares and only Peeta can understand her. Like not everyone is or can be a hero, they can be forced but that breaks people. I found that to be very refreshing take for a YA novel of all things.
Edit: SNOW NOT SNOKE *Facepalm* I can't believe I wrote that

[rhymenoceros]

Now this is a civilization that's been in need of a roasting for some time.

[Soundwave]

on the Coal thing, you DO need Carbon (IE Coal) for the manufacture of a lot of things, particularly steel. It can also be used in the making of chemicals and Plastics.
So Nondescript Sci-Fi Future still relying on Carbon-based resources isn't _that_ far-fetched.

[imperatoraurelian]

If you look at Roman history many many emperors were actually stupid enough to run their country like /b/ and then got couped by Generals with veteran legions. So this is a relatively accurate depiction of how Roman succession worked.

[RandomStuff-helu]

I've only seen the movies but my take was that President Snow was just old and bored and having a rebellion would give his life some excitement.

[nyctophobia]

Panem is a stupid civilization that definitely deserved to fall apart, but honestly I feel like that’s the whole point, and I personally feel like it’s a sign of good writing on the author’s part. The dystopian government didn’t fall apart just because our heroes stood up, it was because the whole system was bloated and unstable. All it needed was one match to light the fuse and send the whole thing tumbling down, which is honestly the mark of a good dystopia.
This is why the books are so good in my opinion, even after all this time. It shows the natural progression of a rebellion at the hands of a cruel and bloated system that only cares about the upper class. Panem was doomed to fail because of its own callous nature.

[lesterforney]

The reason katniss ultimately ended up with Peta and not Gale was because in the book it explains that Gale invented a new type of bomb for district 13. One of those bombs killed katniss's sister. After that katniss blamed Gale for her sister's death and had nothing but pure hate for Gale.

[theomnissiah-]

The real fantasy of this society
Is that it lasted 75 fing year

[poling]

When you realize the entire plot of the hunger games could have been undone by a 10 second delay on live tv

[analisapena]

Panem isn’t an ironic name. Panem means, roughly “as long as you keep people fed with bread, they won’t care what you do” mirroring how the capitol is kept happy, and ignorant

[frankenstein]

Panem: is based off of bread & circus.
Also Panem: Does not provide bread nor proper entertainment for most of its people.

It just works.