What Is Happening To Disney Movies?!

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Today I compare modern Disney movies ( Pinocchio, Strange World, Encanto, Lightyear) and their older films ( The Hunchback of Notre Dame, The Lion King, Tangled). I also discuss their constant woke virtue signaling, portrayal of toxic masculinity, and the absence of new Disney villains.

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[danielaf]

For years now, my non-white friends have been saying that they don't care for representation if it means taking well-known and beloved characters and suddenly making them black; what they would much, much prefer, are NEW characters who happen to be black, brown and are simultaneously well-developed, rounded and interesting characters you get invested in. Anything else feels like tokenism or like it might actually result in a backlash, because people will be sick of race-swapping for its own sake. This is what my black and Asian friends and colleagues have been saying for years - so I sometimes wonder who all this race-swapping is actually for.

[willpower]

Speaking as a former Disney artist, they don't hire any of the original talent that created these classic flicks.
They tend to hire their " woke" twitter pals.

[inazumagou]

In my opinion, "the woke mob" should study how Enchanted subverted the classic fairytale tropes from Disney and made self-referential humors in the most entertaining way. I watched the movie as an adult and still love the movie today because I can feel the joy and creative energy that went into the movie. And of course, it never hurts to have Amy Adams in the lead role.

[VALonYouTube]

The Hunchback of Notre Dame is such an underrated classic. One of my favorite animated movies of all time. Thank you, Misha.

[SilasGTBronte]

I was a Disney fan from the late 80s until very recently. I feel that their moves have become too predictable and boring, even the ones that aren't remakes. On the other hand, I'm beginning to enjoy movies from other studios such as Dreamworks (which I thought it would be inconceivable). It seems to me that Disney entered another dark age like it did in the 70s and 80s. Hopefully Disney will learn from these recent mistakes and bring about a new Disney renaissance like it did in the early 90s.

[MarchionessDarby]

When you were talking about manly men being “toxic” in these movies and the emotional man being praised, it made me think of a John Wayne movie. As we know, you can’t get more manly than John Wayne, right? So there’s a scene where he wants to take revenge on a group of men who have kidnapped his nieces and raped and murdered one of them, but his traveling companion stops him, though they get into a huge fistfight. What’s really interesting about that scene is that you see the emotion in Wayne’s character - he’s clearly heartbroken about how these girls have been abused by other men, and while this emotion comes out in this urge to avenge them, he’s feeling great sorrow and righteous anger.

[personapokemaster]

I think with movies like Encanto, it shows that there are good movies still being made, even if they aren't as financially successful as other projects, but with the way Disney is going, I just want them to go back to making more original animated movies. If they focused less on making a quick dollar and more on creating new stories that do fit into these diverse roles, then they could have their cake and eat it too.

How come I'm making more sense than the multibillion-dollar company?

[JamieH-bfto]

My favourite Disney movie growing up was Mulan - she's a strong main character, she has a goal, and she uses her feminine strengths to succeed. It's much more progressive as far as gender roles go than all the woke idiots today. Of course woke people now are claiming she's trans because she had to dress up as a guy literally because women weren't allowed in the army 🤦🏻‍♀️

[scoutman]

It's quite the shame. They can clearly make a great story that represents the culture of the country that it takes place in quite well (Lion King, Princess and the Frog, Lilo and Stitch, Vaiana) but instead they just choose to make the sexuality and skin colour of their main characters a priority. Characters like Mulan or Tiana were done well in this regard because the story focuses more on their characters and the fact that just like everyone else they have struggles and problems too.

[tomast]

The funny thing about them race swapping the fairy (why 90% of the race swap are women?) is that they did it for "representing and inclusivity", but they also removed her other scenes from the original movie so the fairy appears only in one scene

it's like in the littler mermaid they race swapped Airel to a black mermaid, but they also race-swapped Carlotta, the maid. a black woman is the servent of a white guy. this is so progressive from Disney (the second time a white maid was race swapped to be a black maid of a white prince)

even with being Woke disney sucks

[Unknown-hbid]

Even Encanto had me a bit pissed by the end. The entire family absolutely slandered Bruno when it's obvious that he was literally nothing like they said. Then, in a flip of a dime, they just act perfectly happy around him. They act like they didn't just collectively badmouth him, and he frankly just deserves better.

[CEAsfg]

Hans as a villain confused me tbh because it came out of nowhere. I wish they had kept the original idea of making Elsa the villain because it makes more sense contextually. Elsa was shut away and taught to bottle up her emotions while Anna got to run free. Maybe Elsa was mad at her parents for treating her differently and caused the storm which killed them and then set off on a years long plan to kill Anna and place the kingdom in an eternal winter to push back on the fearful citizens. Let it go is a good song but that’s pretty much the only thing that makes Elsa palatable. Otherwise she’s a bad sister, an irresponsible ruler, and an example of what not to do when your emotions get the best of you. Elsa acted pretty selfishly in both movies and never even tried to talk to her sister or take responsibility as queen. Their parents kind of sucked but that didn’t mean Elsa had to be. Elsa is pretty much the dress, the hair, the song, and that’s it. Hans had no logical motivation because he could’ve just kissed Anna and saved summer and became prince of Arendelle.

[Cward]

I think they don't take risks is because of cancel culture. They don't want to wake that dragon.But lately it's being proven that this cancel dragon is just a screeching lizard. We are seeing course corrections. Firing of Victoria Alonso, a key creative in marvel and ordering more phineas and ferb are just recent examples. Honestly this is the beginning of the end of an Era and I am relieved

[tammylaronde]

I primarily like the old Disney cartoons and movies.

Robin Hood
Cinderella
Snow White
The Sword in the Stone
Alice in Wonderland.
I also liked Lilo and Stitch, Beauty and the Beast, The Tigger Movie, The Emperors New Groove, and the Disney short cartoons with Goofy being my favourite character.

[silashurd]

Disney used to be so beloved and told good stories. It’s so depressing to see Disney change for the worse, focusing on Identity politics and SJW virtue signaling instead of telling good stories. And they even got rid of making villains! They made so many memorable villains but now they’ve just stopped and it’s sad to see everything from Disney just get destroyed

[blizzyblaze]

I’m 25, about to be 26, and grew up with cartoons that were actually decent. Why can’t we go back to those???

[topherbec]

A prerequisite for being a good writer was to be well versed in the classics and drawing inspiration from them. I feel today's writers only interact with people who are of the same mindset and their work is limited by that interaction.

[sassyghost_]

The Hunchback of Notre Dame is one of my all-time favorites as well. It was so experimental and risky for a company like Disney because of its dark themes but it’s also very beautiful and has a moral that leaves enough room for the viewer to sit and ponder it. “What makes a monster and what makes a man?” After all, Frollo is a villain who is fully convinced that he’s doing what’s best for Paris without realizing until it’s too late that he’s only doing what’s in his interest only while Quasimodo’s actions are more thoughtful and empathetic compared to his adopted father. I’ll tolerate the gargoyles any day to watch that movie all the way through. It’s such an underrated accomplishment from Disney and I wish they had tried to do more projects like The Hunchback of Notre Dame instead of the remakes and lackluster social justice checklist movies.

[corvoattano]

As a 'feminine' man, thank you for speaking about how black and white media's takes on masculinity are. I work as a therapist but I also love camping and the outdoors. Masculinity, confidence, taking a leadership role, and other masculine traits (especially physical ones) are not bad. Anything dont to excess is bad, we just need a good cast and story to highlight where that line might be in masculinity without needing a purely feminine man as a foil, just a well-adjusted masculine male.

Also I fucking love Claude Frollo, especially Hellfire. Ive explored other languages of Hellfire and the heavy-handed emotional deliveries are amazing.

Edit: I think a great example of a well-adjusted masculine man is George Bailey in It's a Wonderful Life. Takes charge, provides for and loves his family, is a hero, but struggles with things he cant control. Doesn't take it out on other people as a character trait though. Is willing to listen to others.

[frostfang]

I hated Lightyear. They said it was the movie that inspired Andy to buy the toy, how did Andy come away from that movie wanting anything to do with it? I'm in the camp they shoulda just made a more serious version of the Buzz Lightyear of Star Command tv movie/series. Also the Zurg twist was one of the worst things I've seen in a LONG TIME.