Is Everything Made of Matter or Consciousness? | Rupert Spira & Bernardo Kastrup in Conversation

Is everything in the world made of matter or consciousness? What exactly are matter and consciousness? Rupert Spira joins Bernardo Kastrup, scientist and author, in a deep exploration of science and spirituality and how they inevitably meet on the same path to truth.

The conversation proves that anyone, from any background, can come to the same universal understanding that non-duality teaches; that peace and happiness is who we truly are.

Rupert came to this understanding through 40 years of spiritual practice in the vedantic and tantric traditions, while Bernardo studied the professional fields of computer science and engineering.

Moderated by Simon Mundie, the discussion covers various topics as Rupert and Bernardo dissect solipsism, idealism and materialism. Through it all, they both came to the same recognition which is that peace and love surpasses all understanding, and is the very nature of everyone and everything.

Timestamps:

00:00 How Rupert and Bernardo Met
02:33 Spiritual and Scientific Backgrounds Meet
08:04 Physics, Metaphysics, Perennial and Non-Dual Understandings
11:00 What is Reality?
14:49 Sense Perceptions and Experiencing
24:30 Solipsism, Idealism, and Materialism
27:48 Everything is in Consciousness
34:50 What is Consciousness?
40:00 What is Matter?
46:30 Qualities of Experience
50:40 Science and the Church
56:20 Learning From Suffering
1:01:00 The Peace That Passeth All Understandings
1:10:00 Non Dual Understanding and Misconceptions
1:16:20 The Purpose of Life
1:26:20 Refining Your Life Through Non Duality
1:28:00 What is Wrong With Materialism?
1:29:10 The Brain, The Mind, and Individuality
1:38:00 Individual vs The Ego
1:43:00 Who Am I? Our True Identity
1:47:00 What Is Accurate About Idealism?
1:52:21 Phenomenal Consciousness Vs Meta-Consciousness
1:59:00 Dissociative Identity Disorder
2:05:00 Three Consequences of the Non-Dual Understanding
2:09:40 Death, Associations and Dreams
2:17:00 The Result of the Non Duality

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[franks]

As a 70+ year oldie, what a blessing to have lived long enough to witness this. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[surrendertoflow]

I’m trained as a neuroscientist and this was exactly what I needed to hear. What a fantastically complimentary pair Rupert and Bernardo are. Exquisite. Thank you so much.

[amaliagrassi]

Oh my goodness. I just found gold. I don't know how or why this video was suggested to me but I've just finished it after taking about three days to listen. (Each day a little bit whilst drinking my coffee and looking at the sky and the trees out of my bedroom window.) l've just finished it and I feel elevated and happy. I am thrilled to have been party to such a video and would have never imagined I'd ever understand much at all of the content (given such a title.) But these three men have spoken with such clarity, simplicity and elegance that I have come away understanding more than I could have possibly imagined. And what a release it feels like to remember that we are so much more than the physicality of our experience, this is truly uplifting and feels so liberating when navigating the challenges life presents. It's been a sheer delight accessing this video and I feel like I've instantly fallen in love with the minds of these men, such is the positivity of the experience. I shall listen against and again.

[Tyanite]

Growing up in a Native American family, I got the biggest shock of my life when I went off to the university. It was my first time away from home. After a while, I realized that the people around me did not see their friends and relatives as part of themselves. People regarded themselves as separate entities from their family, friends, their environment. That was entirely foreign to me, unthinkable.

[brightchange]

Rupert's happiness is evident on his face - fresh and beautiful!

[socratessuker]

I can confidently say today that I have conquered the world. My spiritual journey over the past 5 years has finally led me to this video. There truly are no coincidences in life, yes seek and ye shall find. Keep knocking, and it shall be opened to you. I've experienced the truthfulness of these lines in my life. Thank you, universe, for being with me thus far. Indeed, there are answers - you just need to dig a little further.

This video is worth more than all that I have.
Hopefully, you can find satisfaction in knowing how I, all the way from Nigeria and many others here from around the world, have been affected by this video. Thank you, thank you, and thank you very much indeed.

[matteomoreschini]

Ciao Rupert and Bernardo! I just want to say that I completely agree with Rupert when he says that Bernardo has a specific purpose: conveying this message in a scientific and rational way allows those with a background like mine to "feel" it more deeply! I don't know how to put it, but it's as if you two allow me to see the same "object" from two different perspectives, and now I see it in its entirety! Thank you

[tpanagides]

One of the most profound conversations I heard in my entire 55 years of living. A tour de force of deep "soul and heart" thinkers who expose the fictional layers of reality and reveal the ever-present truth of who truly are. Just purchased Rupert's up-and-coming book and subscribed to Bernardo's content online. Thanks for the multiple paradigm shifts you sparked and the beautiful pointers which put me in a space of pure peace and joy. We are blessed. Love you both so very much.

[Way]

The choice of words really helps. Rupert and Bernardo compliment each other so well and Simon asks perfect questions to help people understand.

[lp]

Fantastic. I have never seen this moderator before. I SO appreciate the questions he asks...it's as if he knows when I am confused and asks Rupert and Bernardo for clarification. So many seemingly disparate threads pulled together. Thank you!!

[cynfowler]

There are no words to express the profound understanding and pure love this video provides. In my 2 years on this metaphysical journey, this video is the one video I would share with anyone on a similar journey. Covers every base!

[mvn]

Having read several of Rupert's books, and one of Bernardo's. This talk is the culmination, the unification of two equivalent approaches to the same universal fundaments.
I am 57 now, and the suffering is what took me on a journey to understand and better accept myself, but also to understand the underlying universal truth. And all of that makes suffering less suffering, and meaningful.
Thanks for this priceless conversation.

[ethanellappa]

Simon, you did an amazing job moderating this conversation 👏

[adayinapril]

I listened to this many days ago and commented, yet I still can't get this conversation off my mind. It is so potentially transformational. Deep gratitude to you for intelligently hosting and to these two men who engage in the discussion of this most important of topics.

[wolflarsen]

This is one of the greatest conversations I've ever heard. ❤

[nsbdnow]

Rupert Spira is so cool because he talks about "The human experience of reality." Which is sure different than talking about "The truth of reality." He's never goofy or "mystical" in the bad sense. But definitely mystical in the good sense when he goes into "just and then "the objects of It's really such a crisp and clean and clear and contemporary way of talking about it. Definitely terrific to hear Bernardo Kastrup articulate and discuss it with good questions from the mod.

[jonas]

these two big boys helped me understand, couldnt done it without the other, needed them both. Absolute legends.

[compellingpeople]

Please leave this video up for my future children to see.

[artgamesforfun]

i don't think there has ever been a more important conversation.

[philstevenson]

Have never heard any of Bernardo's opinions before. Can honestly say his eloquence and descriptions of the nature of reality are beautifully explained and understandable.