Penal Substitutionary Atonement

Theology Refresh
Guest: Jarvis Williams

[ultraskinpro]

That was awesome! I've listened to a few (pro and con) videos on The Atonement. (PSA sounds like such a human contrivance.) In the OT Israel was to practice a system that included many acts of "penal substitution." And in the New...? "Behold the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world!" Thanks for a concise, humble, biblical overview of The Atonement.

[TheCreepypro]

may our Lord be praised for saving us from HIs own wrath!

[formerfundienowfree]

God does not have wrath to vent. God is Love unchangeable and has no opposite. PSA is man's ego distorting the meaning of the cross.

[readthebible]

“Jesus died "for" our sin, but the English word "for" can have a range of meanings, such as an exchange or a cause of action. There is a specific Greek word that can be translated as "for, " indicating an exchange or a replacement, and it is the word "anti." An example of this is when Jesus said, "You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for [anti] an eye and a tooth for [anti] a tooth.'" Both of the words translated as "for" in this verse are the Greek word "anti." It's literally, "an eye in place of an eye, " or "an eye instead of an eye, " or "an eye against an eye." However, the word "anti" is never used even once in any statement regarding the fact that "Christ died for us." The word "for" in all of the statements of "Christ died for us" or "Christ died for our sin, " are the Greek words "dia" (meaning through), "hyper" (meaning over), and "peri" (meaning around). Not once in the Greek text is there a direct substitutionary statement used about Jesus literally taking our place as an exchange or a payment. Nevertheless, translators (for unknown reasons) seem to have preferred to use the much more ambiguous word "for, " which enables the teacher and reader to assume things about the text that were never intended.”
An excerpt from Chapter 12 of the book “Atonement and Reconciliation” by Kevin George.

[formerfundienowfree]

If Jesus' entire ministry is important, why so much emphasis on Paul who according to his own writings was not even familiar with Jesus' ministry as he never even quotes Jesus.

[readthebible]

“The wages of sin is death" must be read in context with verse 22. Romans 6:22-23 "But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
When read together, the consequence ("the fruit") of being "set free from sin" is eternal life, and the wages, the consequence of sin, is death. These two results are being contrasted. The phrase "the wages of sin is death" is not a transactional statement of how to pay for sin. Wages are a metaphor for consequences, not a method of payment. Nevertheless, this one phrase is a keystone of the Penal Substitutionary Atonement doctrine, as if it is intended to state that the event of Jesus' death was the means of how the sins of humanity were paid. This proof-texting of a phrase to use as a basis for defending the PSA theory is a sad display of sloppy scholarship, even by those who are otherwise excellent scholars in their own right.
For more textual examination like this, look for the book entitled “Atonement and Reconciliation” by Kevin George.

[PaulLee-rsuw]

Genesis 2:1-3
( The seventh day, God(😊100%❤) rests)
"2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God (😊100%❤)finished his work
that
he had done, and
he rested
on the seventh day from
all his work that he had done(😊❤).
3 So God
blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in the creation."( Genesis 2:1-3 ESV. Amen that God rest then we rest too. Sunday rest. In Jesus'name, i pray( here I come to Church). Amen)

Matthew 2:13-15( The flight to Egypt)
"13 Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, " Rise, take the child( Jesus(😊1st❤)) and his mother(😊❤), and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell you, for Herod is about to search for the child, to destroy him."
14 And he( Joseph😊❤) rose and took the child(Jesus😊1st❤) and his mother 😊 by night and departed to Egypt
15 and


remained there



until
the death of Herod.

This was to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet,
" Out of Egypt I called my son."( Matthew 2:13-15 ESV. Amen. Jesus(😊1st❤). I know and trust You God that you really love me so i put my faith in Your Son, Jesus(😊1st❤) to love God and your people in Christ. In Jesus'name, i pray( John 14:6😊❤ and Matthew 28:19-20😊❤
). Amen.
John 14:27😊❤

[mattr.]

Ah yes. You save yourself by making a deal with God.

[BibleGod]

Be careful not to think that God actively poured wrath on Jesus. Jesus suffered our sins under the curse in this world, not the next. The curse here, is manipulated by bad people. God still used it, to make His sacrifice.