‘The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism’ — A Conversation with Daniel Hummel

In this edition of the popular podcast series "Thinking in Public," Albert Mohler speaks with Director for University Engagement at Upper House, a Christian ministry and study center located at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, Dr. Daniel Dummel. They discuss Dr. Hummel's recent book, "The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism," and the influence of dispensationalism on American culture and in the evangelical mind.

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[andrewhodgeson]

My grandpa preached against dispensationalism for many years and wrote two books on the topic. Back then, he was laughed at and ignored because in our part of the country, especially then, there weren't really any pastors preaching what he was. He stood alone. Even within the family I was the only one who agreed with him. He passed away back in 2019 but I wish he was still around to see conversations like this.

[michealferrell]

What happened was Sam Waldron, Riddlebarger, !
Covenant Theology was a great eye opener for many of us who left Dispensationalism/ premillennialism

[athbhu]

Thanks for this. I've been researching dispensationalism and I learnt a few new things here. The calm tone is also appreciated.

[peterm]

I found your conversation confusing because you didn’t really make it clear what you see as the “problem” with dispensationalism.

[tkmac]

Thank you both for this great conversation & information about Christianity. May the Lord uses you & blesses you!!

[JamesDonovan-br]

Thanks Al for Calvinism - Reformed- Amillennial theology taking over the SBC.

[whollybraille]

Excellent interview. I've got the book on order now. I like to view these things in terms of what the enemy is up to, too. Because so much of what occupies our minds is distaction, as well as falsehood. We are immersed in these things, in the US. Hwood is going down, replaced with something far more effective - that's DC. Junk food and entertainment dominate our lives. Thinking just doesn't matter! And that's permeated the church too. I have not been able to find anyone educated enough to speak with about the details that are ignored and avoided, that many of the distinctive doctrines and practices rely on. I look foward to expanding my thinking with this work of Dr. Hummel's. And tuning into this utube channel too. Thanks.

[MaryMouse]

I grew up in Bucks County, which is north of Philadelphia. The only Protestant church in my town was Addisville [Dutch] Reformed Church. From there I went to Hope College, an RCA college in Holland, MI. After a while, I really wanted to know how the Philadelphia area seemed to have many people who mixed Dispensationalism with Reformed theology. This discussion was very helpful!

[bethelshiloh]

I’m 74. Reared in Baptist church. Became agnostic. Born again in 1971. Became charismatic. 2010 hit the wall with churchianity and left the building with faith in tact. Been on search for sound doctrine since. This is answering a lot of questions that I have had. I was taught a lot of lies and could not figure out WHY I could not see these teachings in the Bible for myself (ex: pre-trib rapture did not make sense to me—seems the catching away happens at His 2nd coming). I’ve had to UNLEARN a lot of heresy.

[bettydekorte]

I listened to Voddie Bauchams revelation series and that makes the most sense to me.

[MO-bodu]

As a Dispensationalist... this was a great talk and really appreciated the respectful perspectives shared!

[beaulin]

The "harpazo" is in the scriptures. (1 Thes. 4:17) It did not come from Darby. You are disgruntled because you think as "academics" you have the right to "rule over God's heritage", and that average believers are unable to learn from the scriptures directly without your interpretation. You desire to be a Protestant "Magisterium" hierarchy controlling all doctrine.
Paul commended the believers in Berea for checking out his teaching against the holy scriptures. (Acts 17:11)
"Theologians" have probably introduced more destructive heresy into the church over the centuries that any other group. Most have entire careers devoted to discrediting the Bible, a book they do not believe. Europe is now a post-Christian, pagan wasteland because of the work of German "higher-critic" theologians.They have destroyed the faith of millions.
"Thy word is TRUTH." -Jesus (John 17:17)
"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH:.." John 16:13
1 John 2:27 "But the ANOINTING which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as THE SAME ANOINTING TEACHETH YOU OF ALL THINGS, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

[glstka]

38:44 I like Machin's attitude. We have so many essentials where we agree. Let's try to be civil and rational about intelligently discussing our disagreements.

[Wally-my]

WOW! Thank you Dr. Mohler! I enjoyed this program on Dispensationalism, which I got caught up in 58 years ago, when being converted to Christ at 22 yr. old. I am not far from Dr. Hummel, living in this state all my life...and getting one year of college at Univ/WI. in early 1980's. Life's circumstances kept me from pursuing my dream of teaching history & literature at UW/WI but after 65. and online I had 3 years of Bible learning/teaching at Grand Canyon University, which I loved.
I cannot ramble more on here but to say I never had been raised in a church, I attended a Bible Baptist Church at 22 yr. old...Fundamentalist 100%...but as Sinclair Ferguson once said at a Ligonier Conference, he became Reformed as Alistair Begg did...by reading their Bibles-so did I. Because of reading that Bible every chance I could, I discovered strange teaching at the Baptist church & providentially discovered a man, a future best friend to me, Albert N Martin. He led me to Spurgeon, Lloyd-Jones, Banner of Truth, etc. My fundamentalist pastor had graduated from the Bible Baptist College in Mo. that may still be there. There was/is the Watertown WI. Bible College too, still there I think.
Thanks for a great, very enjoyable program. I love it.

[fnjesusfreak]

Both my uncles were preachers, and they swore by the Ryrie. Oddly enough, we're talking United Methodists (though they didn't always agree with what was being taught From Above, since for example they were credobaptists and believed in closed communion, neither of which is the norm in the UMC).

[glstka]

55:20 One good thing I see. We don't need to divide on nonessentials, R C Sproul, very reformed. John MacArthur very dispensational. Both great friends

[KarlsKronicles]

A book from the 1980s that sheds light on this subject is Timothy P Weber's Living in the Shadow of the Second Coming. Still a great read even today.

[deanvanlaarhoven]

Strange that in an hour and 3 minutes, John MacCarthur's name did not come up.

[rampartranger]

As a high-schooler in a dispensationalist church in the 1960’s, I was told by one of the of the older saints that it would be foolish to invest 4 years in College because for sure Jesus would come before I would graduate. 😮😂

[David-kdrw]

How different is the eschatology of progressive vs. classic dispensationalism? They both hold to crazy things like 3rd temple sacrifices, don’t they?