*UPDATE* 2027 Toyota GR86 Next-Gen - We have a NEW engine from Japan!

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Details are settling on the third generation #toyotagr86 and #subarubrz --- This new engine is worth getting excited for and Toyota is in the driver's seat with the development this time around.

00:00 - Next-Gen GR86
10:42 - New Lexus Coupe

[ravenstylea]

A Toyota developed 2.0L 4 Cylinder Turbo revving out to 8-9k rpm would be the golden ticket for the GR86.

[ToyotaLife]

Toyota is going back to the greatness in the 90s

[rightlanehog]

Kirk, What a relief to see a genuine Toyota engine under the hood of the GR 86. Let's hope this car is 100% Toyota with that shooting brake variant Best Car previewed last year.🤞🤞

[Matt_from_Florida]

Who else fondly remembers circa-2005 technology before cars got far too complicated?

[mv-]

Without the boxer taking that much space near the front wheels they may also be able to use something like double wishbone instead of MacPherson. May be a way to compensate the increased center of gravity.

[RockMiach]

The possibility of keeping a NA engine is super exciting! Can’t wait to hear more about this new GR engine

[hamzawerks]

i hope this next gen 2.0 4 cylinder is a somewhat high and quick revving engine that would be so awesome

[FurkanCemTurfanda]

So we're finally getting a new S2000, it's just coming from Toyota. I'd buy it.

[Notenoughboost]

So much exciting news coming from Toyota and Lexus. I look forward to all these new models.

[aeronYTco]

The 86’s DNA would totally change if it goes from boxer to inline.

[dougrobinson]

A 2 liter NA engine that's designed to be boosted should be very stout. If it revs to the moon, I'm interested. Not a fan of the boxer engine, despite the low CG benefits.

[omarawilson]

I hope the engine feels a lot like the 4AGE, 3SGE, or 2ZZGE. This will be the first time in a long time that Toyota has made a dedicated Performance NA engine and I hope they get it right.

[Brendan]

Current Subaru employee, you’re half right on how the engines are in the cars, I’d say 70%+ of the new cars on our lot are naturally aspirated, you’re correct all those models are turbocharged, but only the higher end models, the ones we sell the most of are NA, the only two vehicles we sell that a turbo is non optional is the WRX and the ascent, every other model from the Impreza to the outback can be had and most of the time is chosen without the turbocharger

[briankuhn]

I'm very pleased to see a new engine on the gr86/brz, but I'm skeptical on the 2.0 i4. I was one of those in the camp of wanting to see expansion of the 1.6L 3cyl because I feel like it's a more unique engine, unique sound, and broadening it into other models might allow more of a shift towards cost efficiencies in production to let the price of that engine come down across the board.

I guess we'll see how this goes.

[Irishmanbikes]

The new GR86 will be really nice looking!! Thanks Kirk!

[sheldonlamey]

That new Toyota engine is so beautiful.

[Bmontepeque]

I am so glad to listen that we could have a Naturally Aspirated engine yet again as it should be, this is the only way for a pure sports car. But if they get a turbo and it makes the car better then sure :) (I still think NA is the only way though.)

However, the most important question is will it be as light and have that wonderful handling and sweet progression into a drift that the first two generations of the 86 had?

I am so relived to listen that it will have the same or similar dimensions. And that now it will be an engine that's probably more up to handling G Forces and probably won't blow up.

This is the most important car in the whole world to me. I hope it continues to be as great for the ages :')

[jamesiverson]

There is one trick to help lower the CG of an inline engine. If the engine is mounted canted slightly to one side that will move its CG down. That was a strategy that was used in the Mercedes 300SL Gullwing and has been repeated since, including in the S2000. With compact engine, Toyota should also be able to use the "front mid-engine" strategy to manage the front/rear weight distribution.

The Subaru engine is also kind of heavy. The company that sells K24 conversions claims that engine is more than 100 lbs lighter than an FA engine, and I believe Toyota's turbo 3 is also lighter.

[VinRZ]

The reason the twins have such a great handling, it's because the low CoG allowing less lateral load transfer. Suspension geometries was never the strongest suit from the twins. Yes they designed the steering rack and front lower control arm pickup point in line with each other, thus minimized a HUGE degree of bumpsteer. (which is probably the only good suspension geometries design)

Now with the rumored inline 4, they can retain the same chassis dynamic w/ front Mac struts but the CoG will suffer. Or they can take a different approach, where they re-design a modern day S2000, open top should lower the CoG because majority of the weight of the car is down low; hence offsetting the high engine weight (like s2000 and miata). But then it's potentially not possible to have a "4 seats" coupe with an open top while keeping the chassis rigid.

Many have said that they can use double wishbone for the chassis now with inline 4. But we have to realize that the steering geometry will get worse with DWB, any lowering will introduce a huge degree of bumpsteer. Where the bumpsteer from the current twins design is still very minimal even lowered.

[CruiseControl]

For the GR86 I would like to see a base model with that 2.0 na engine. I would also like to see a GRMN86 with a turbo 2.0. I live at 6, 877ft and a turbo is almost required at this elevation.

Having said that I owned a 22 GR86 in Neptune blue and the car was pretty good even at this elevation. If they can keep the weight down on the new platform and have a similar power to weight ratio a turbo may not be necessary. However I believe the new model is going to be substantially heavier than the current model and a turbo may be needed to compensate for the added weight.

The new Lexus coupe looks great for a replacement of the RC coupe. I will be interested to see where this gets priced at? Will it split the differences from the starting price of an RC coupe and the starting price of the LC500?