The Logical Problems With the Trinity

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[ustadabdullahi]

Christian theology in a
nutshell :
God sacrificed God to God in
order to save God's creation
from God. God prayed to God
for help but God didn't help
God and God killed God with
help from humans.
And that God is a father of
himself and a son of himself
at the same time. He is also
eternal but his birthday is
celebrated on 25th of
December (or 7th of January
depending on a sect). And he
is also the seed of Abraham
who is a human. He also
sent himself on Earth and
committed self unaliving by
forcing people to commit a
sin of murder against him
because it was the only way
for him to forgive humans for
a much lesser sin of just one
woman who lived 6000 years
ago

[mesterfriend]

We willl appreciate if you made a Playlist with lessons lime this, ordered so new debaters can benefit from it, you are among the first one if not the first that brings this direction of debating and proving the problems with the trinity, I firstly heard it and learn it from you, thank you.

[osmanniazi]

Ask most Christians what is the key belief and they will describe the trinity of the co equal god head of Jesus, Father and Holy Ghost and to accept him for salvation. The question I have is why did the writers of the gospel not say that exactly? If trinity is true, then the writers of the gospels should have been fired for incompetence. They could not even spell out something every Christian can tell you in a few lines. So either trinity is a fabrication or the writers of the gospels were the most incompetent bunch around and the holy spirit did not do much a job guiding them.

[ukimenustah]

You can't be perfect and imperfect at the same time

[ibrahimsigad]

Masha Allah brother, you are doing a favor for every human being who wants to know about the ultimate truth. And anyone who is honest to himself will not disagree with you.

[OumarO-hrin]

As a muslim, I have leart lot about trinity through jake's debate

[Sayf-nycb]

Barakallah hu feekJake, amazing work for the ummah, you are indeed a pillar in the defense of this ummah, may Allah swt the one the only God reward you and your loved ones with al firdous ameen❤.

[عبدالرحيم-جنج]

Brother Jake, could you make a video refuting the composition arguments the thomists present against us. Preferably a clarification of our athari aqeedah and how we can affirm distinctions within Allah without it entailing “parts”

[dazaibd]

If you ask 10 Christians about their belief regarding Trinity you will get 11 different opinions.

[idrea]

Assalamu Alaykum
Say, Jake, i'm just doing my rounds absorbing the information of the orthodox christians. Is this a valid criticism:

-The father is identical to god. God is the essence, so the father is identical to the essence
-The father is independent, therefore the essence is independent

-The son shares the essence of the father [perichoreses or mutual indwelling] therefore the son must be independent. But they say he is dependent on the father. It is therefore Incoherent because an entity's essence tells you about the entity, so if it is independent then the entity [god] cannot in any way be dependent. So the son being dependent contradicts the essence. It also means there is no perichoreses

-They will respond by mentioning that the dependence is a personal quality of the son [his hypostasis]. But this is just reasserting the problem; his hypostasis simply contradicts his essence. It means that he doesn’t in fact have this independent essence, he does not mutually indwell with the father. There is no perichoreses

[shaka]

Jake do you have any lectures or videos about the hypostatic union and how jesus is god and man at the same time

[thambone]

Deuteronomy 10:17
American Standard Version
For Jehovah your God, he is God of gods, and Lord of lords, the great God, the mighty, and the terrible, who regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward.


Psalm 50:1
Young's Literal Translation
A Psalm of Asaph. The God of gods -- Jehovah -- hath spoken, And He calleth to the earth From the rising of the sun unto its going in.

[abnama]

It is all about wordings and abstracts. Christian scholars can write 1+1+1=1 on paper all they want. They can invent new terminologies to make it look like it is based on something, while it is nothing but falsehood.

[abubudgie]

Imagine expecting that a farmer in medieval Europe had to understand all this stuff so he can go to heaven 💀

[ianwinton]

Almighty God, created his first born son, all other things came into existence. Then he created all the angels, . You are totally right because the church fathers from the 3 century. Constantine wanted the trinity because it was political, and it was there collaboration of stolsic. So they say jesus was born 25 December. All of christandon celebrate Christmas which is completely pagan. I agree with you totally. You are a lovely geezer. I like listening to you, but l still have my thoughts my self ok geezer. Chat welcome
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[ianwinton]

The Hebrew scriptures says, know man can see God and live. That's what he told Moses when God was writing the ten commandments.

[imraneamoura]

I was given a calculus exam at school and I answered a question that was put to me by : 1+1+1 = 1 and the teacher gave me zero. 😁+😁+😁=😁
Thank you Christians.

[USMC]

FATHER, SON and HOLY GHOST are TITLES.. not NAMES or PERSONS! God is a Spirit SINGULAR. The Trinity was birthed in 325 AD at the council of Nicaea. The early Church was not trinitarian..the early church were all Jews and believed Jesus was God manifested in flesh according to isaiah 7:14, 9:6 2nd Corinthians
5:19 Colossians 2:9 1 Timothy 3:16.. God is a Spirit (singular) according to John 4:24.. the first gentile convert was Cornelius in Acts 8 almost 10 years after Calvary. The early church believed in one God according to Deuteronomy 6:4 they were strictly monotheistic.
the idea of God being triune or a trinity originated from western paganism as the church expanded through out the west, this debate goes back to the 2nd century, tertullian known as the father of the trinity vs Praxeus. Not all Christians are Trinitarian. Never read the Bible through western eyes.

[LeviElijah-fpvb]

If they can do math better than they can get out of it 1+1+1=1 😮