This is Why Ryzen 5 3600s Are FAILING!

Why are Ryzen 5 3600's and possibly other 4 core and 6 core CPUs starting to fail a lot more in 2023? Well today I check out memory lane and notice one huge difference.

Chapters
00:00 The problem I personally came into with a recently purchased Ryzen 5 3600.
01:56 GAMING temps are HIGH! over 90 degrees with a wraith stealth...!?
02;55 Changing over to a wraith prism cooler, kind of... alleviates the problem, but doesn't fully.
03:50 Looking back at 2019 Tech Yes City Data, I think this is the REASON Ryzen 5 3600s are failing...!
05:57 How can we fix this? let's try change some settings (worst case scenario), checking out PBO, limits and more.
09:40 Problem FIXED! however we need to fine tune this some more, with an undervolt.
11:14 Conclusion, undervolt and temp limits are your best friend on cheap AM4 motherboards. Before and After.
13:08 Recommendations, Monitor your temps! My Magic number is 70 degrees for gaming.

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[techyescity]

Little bit of confusion in the comments of this video so hopefully I can clear it up here. volt-amps and cooling is what you give a CPU, heat is what you get. No harm can come out of checking your temperatures while you are gaming, and making sure they are, say below 70c. Heat also causes combustion, which is why it's so important to keep it at low as possible in the everyday PC. Ultimately though, on the a320 (without changing our cooling solution), we can reduce these temps by undervolting, and setting in a max temp limit (which also reduces the clock speeds to levels that consume less voltages too).
So I was working more in reverse order in this video. However the video is designed to help people without much knowledge on the subject too.
As for the aggressive voltages, AMD should release a bios update, with the option to select a more conservatively tuned CPU, as we could only really undervolt -.075mv before we reached instability on this setup.

[sjsd]

Investing a good cooler could extend your CPU lifespan and it can probably sit in your next rig then.

[vyathaen]

ryzen 7000 series with their 95c temperature 24/7 enters the chat.

[Runner]

My best advice for longevity is to just cap your fps, it doesn't even have to be an aggressive cap just at the higher end of your avg, or at refresh for non competitive titles. It will feel the same in game but your components will stop running at 100%, and temperatures can drop quite drastically. Giving it that little bit of breathing room really helps.

[KooYu]

Back in 2020, I immediately noticed my 3600's temps were very high for my taste, even with a good air cooler (arctic 34 duo), like spiking instantly to low 70s and reaching high 70s during a sustained high load. But it turned out those were pretty much normal out of the box thermals.

The solution was simply undervolting, no temp limit needed. I use CTR for fine tuning and OC but anyone can do it easily from the bios as you pointed out. Great vid as always Bryan!

[dabomba]

Interesting to see more being looked into this. Greg has had quite a few defective 3600s come through on fix or flop so it’s interesting to see it be more widespread than just there.

[sludgefactory]

Stuff like this is why I like your channel. Getting the most out of older hardware, and the breakdown of the BIOS settings really gives knowledge to someone like me that is still somewhat new to this wonderful hobby. Can't tell you how intimidating some of the Asus bios settings are to me. I'm a Weiner and afraid to mess with a majority of them. But I have a little more confidence moving forward now thanks to videos like these. Thanks again!

[MarcoGPUtuber]

Reminder to everyone that your Ryzen 3000 is probably not that old and that the warranty is three years. Check if you can RMA if yours goes bad.

If you are in Australia, you may be able to argue that the lifespan is too short with the ACCC if your CPU fails shortly after the expiration of the warranty period.

[Analyzer]

First thing I noticed when I made my 3600 setup was high CPU temps! Even at idle. Doing some research I found that Mobos by default set core voltages very high. Mine was 1.4v at the time. You need to manually set the max core voltage ( or offset) and find the sweet spot. Mine is set at 1.25 volts (over clocked) and it give max performance while keeping cool.

[junkerzn]

Going into AMD CBS and changing the TDP/PPT/EDC/etc settings is the best solution (other BIOS settings might also be needed to prevent the BIOS from ignoring the PPT). That is typically better than messing with voltages or frequencies because single-core / fewer-cores operation won't be impeded as much. Just lower the package power limit to something reasonable. I do this on all my machines, even the high-end ones, because otherwise they use double the power just to squeeze out another 10% in performance or so, which gets into silly-land pretty quickly.

The thermal temperature limit in the BIOS is not as good a setting because it is a far more indirect and slow servo. PPT is a very fast servo.

[peternedermann]

I'm using this CPU since its introduction to the market, and quickly I have realised that you can optimise it with Ryzen Master too: I can set whatever TDP target I like (usually 55W for transcoding, and 65W for gaming). Also set the "CPU Boost override" to its maximum 200Mhz value (so it drives speeds that much higher with the same voltage). This setup works very well even for the stock cooler :)

[mackenziebullied]

I heard on gamers nexus that some am4 boards use too high a voltage to make their board look faster than the competition, i think that might be at play here as well for some people?? It was a pretty big deal

[heilong]

Strange, my 3600 was a great CPU and was always cool, I only recently upgraded to a 5800x and was surprised how much hotter it was.

[mr.chaidir]

In my experience, undervolt it from 1.4V to 1.2V do the trick. It seems the latest BIOS update make the CPU consume the power more than it actually needs and more power=more heat.

[MarkHyde]

As an owner of a Ryzen 5 3600 (and A320 mb) this has got me intrigued - admittedly I've got an aftermarket air/fan cooler. I haven't seen any kind of temps like this. Thanks for this investigation. Love your content :)

[RRe]

From my experience the Precision Boost Overdrive settings under the tweaker settings on Asus aren't always doing its job at disabling it and you'd need to disable it under one of the AMD tabs in the advanced settings.
The extreme overvolting with PBO has been a thing since first gen ryzen and has caused voltages of ~1.45V back then as well. Disabling it always had massive thermal and efficiency improvements while also lowering the voltage to more reasonable levels on every single ryzen system I have built so far (including anything from 1000 series to 5000 series), so I'm always disabling it because that little bit of extra performance doesn't seem worth the thermals and unhealthy voltages imho. I'm surprised that nobody really talked about that yet and, while I didn't test with any 7000 series CPU myself, I'm pretty sure that's what is mostly leading to the high temps everyone reported on the 7000 series launch. If anyone wants to verify that with a 7000 series CPU feel free to respond, am curious to see if it is indeed still the case.

[heyitsjel]

Interesting video Bryan.
This is actually pretty disappointing if it's the case (higher temps), given their relatively young age. Many CPU's in the past (eg. Intel 14nm++++ coffee lake; comet lake) would frequently hit these temps and not fail prematurely, so this is something AMD needs to look into - especially if the chips aren't thermal throttling and staying within AMD's design window. It seriously makes me wonder if it's a long term high voltage issue (eg. certain manufacturers over-volting by default), or if it's related to increased rates of degradation of the TSMC 7nm node at extended elevated temperatures/voltages...

The 2080Ti you previously tested with is significantly more powerful than the RX 6600, so you would expect temps would have been equal/higher running that card.

[djtlh]

i see that you tested this ryzen 5 3600 with an a320 board and these problems appears, have you tried using a higher tier board like a b450 to see if the problem is still there?

[ryguymods]

I noticed this back in 2020 with my 3600 CPU, The stealth cooler just wasn't up to the task so i replaced it for a prism rgb and also undervolted it slightly, the temp were night and day difference!

[vampula]

Bro, those voltages that you showed are CRAZY! My 3600 runs with 975mv while 3750mhz, temps - 50° max in cinebench r20.
Undervolt is a MUST!
At the same time my second machine with 5700x runs 1008mv, 4250mhz, 55°
Saving that silicon for the children to inherit it lol