Artificial general intelligence: What it really takes to program the future | Ben Goertzel

Artificial general intelligence: What it really takes to program the future
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AI expert Ben Goertzel is no stranger to building out-of-this-world artificial intelligence, and he wants others to join him in this new and very exciting field. That's why he co-founded iCog Labs in Ethiopia, and he's training people not through textbooks but online courses offered by the likes of MIT, Coursera, and Udacity. That way, they can learn about the many different skill sets needed to build AI much faster than a traditional educational route. Ben's latest book is AGI Revolution: An Inside View of the Rise of Artificial General Intelligence.
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BEN GOERTZEL:

Ben Goertzel is CEO and chief scientist at SingularityNET, a project dedicated to creating benevolent decentralized artificial general intelligence. He is also chief scientist of financial prediction firm Aidyia Holdings and robotics firm Hanson Robotics; Chairman of AI software company Novamente LLC; Chairman of the Artificial General Intelligence Society and the OpenCog Foundation.His latest book is AGI Revolution: An Inside View of the Rise of Artificial General Intelligence.
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Ben Goertzel: There’s aspects, yes. AGI has aspects of computer science, mathematics, engineering, philosophy of mind, linguistics, neuroscience. It’s quite cross-disciplinary, and the education system isn’t really that way. It’s more that way in the U.S. than anywhere else on the planet actually. That’s a strength the U.S. has. Here as an undergraduate, you can at least take courses in every department. And in many countries, that’s not true.

But even in the U.S., the education system is not nearly as cross-disciplinary as it should be for grappling with a problem like AGI or with say quantum computing or nanotechnology or a lot of other cutting edge things.

So what that means is if someone wants to really work in one of these cutting-edge topics that has the highest probability of transforming the world, if they want to work on these things in the core capacity, they have to take their own time to study a bunch of other fields that they didn’t learn in school. And that also takes time. You can’t do that by reading a blog post. I mean you’ve got to, you know, take out a neuroscience textbook and go through it step by step. And not everyone has the patience for that.

But again some people do, and I’d say Coursera, Udacity, and MIT, the many universities that have put their courseware online have been a huge, huge asset in this process because those help lead people through the process of learning information from all the different disciplines that they need to attack something like AGI. We found these online courses incredibly useful in what we’ve been doing in Ethiopia.

So in 2013, I co-founded with two others Ethiopia’s first AI and robotics development company. So we do some original R&D, some projects aimed at helping the African situation. Then a bunch of software and robotics outsourcing. The company is called iCog Labs based in Addis Ababa. And we have an internship program which we use for recruiting.

So we take dozens of undergrad students each year and what we do is we give them some hands-on lessons in OpenCog and various other AI tools. We also have each of them take like seven Coursera courses. And they go through them very quickly and they teach them neuroscience, computational linguistics, bioinformatics, machine learning, a bunch of topics that are not offered in the university there.

And this works much better than giving them a bunch of textbooks to read because it gives them a process and a community to enter into. It not only teaches them information but it weeds out people who don’t have the persistence to slog through stuff from a bunch of different disciplines and really stretch their brain in a deeper cross-disciplinary way.

So yeah, I’d say, as with everything else there’s pluses and minuses all tangled up, right? I mean the modern way of doing things in some ways eliminates people’s attention span because nobody has to think for themselves. They immediately look up the answer on the internet or download something instead of trying to solve a problem themselves.

On the other hand, there’s so much high-quality educational material out there together with supportive communities for people who do want to plunge in deeper and get a more foundational understanding.

But what we do in OpenCog is we’ve worked out a system where each of...

[ewfq]

I can't talk for the US, but here in the Netherlands inter-disciplinary education is the norm. No extra costs for taking courses across departments, and no ridiculous pressure to finish your degree ASAP - quite the contrary even - that encourages exploration and extra-curricular development.

[HughMcBrideDonegalFlyer]

What 7 coursera courses do they take ?

[globaldigitaldirectsubsidi]

This guy is the inspiration I needed 15 years ago

[hwago]

I can't label this guy. Psychodelic, cowboy-hippie, tech genius, entrepreneur.

[MultiMaikimaik]

Does anyone maybe have links to the corsera courses hes referring?

[anewman]

Is this the hippy version of Ray Kurzweil??

[thealioras]

Dude, take me!
im dying to dedicate my mind in the artificial inteligence section!
i wanna do something that i like for a living and this area is in one word fascinating!
i got in a computer science university, ill be a freshman in a few months when the academic year starts and i was wondering if there s a path that leads there

[yashaswikulshreshtha]

Imagine harnessing potential power of each student toward AGI, if our education system get right

[jynxkizs]

Ben Goertzel is a prolific guy with many interesting companies.

[ptgms]

Nicely put regarding education Ben, I think it should be readily available throughout a person’s whole life with affordability as well.

[mrnarason]

So just double major, CS+math/physics/neuroscience or whatever which matches with what you want to do.

[CalumnMcAulay]

Let's be honest if you don't trust Ben to usher in a new era of compassionate AGI and a positive singularity then you seriously need to have a good word with yourself and question your discernment :-)

[livingbeings]

I would like to see Trent McConaghy on big think to talk about AI

[c.augustin]

AGI (I've heard of the "General Problem Solver" some 40 years ago in a book that was then 10 years old) … oh yes … it was on the verge of a breakthrough for … hmm, how long? … 20 years or even longer? He might be on to something (his explanations and ideas sound reasonable), but if this will really be the breakthrough that could be labeled "AGI" – who knows (I personally don't think so).

[mediawolf]

Yes, a jack of many trades can often see things in a different way. But the problem as you describe it suggests to me the more obvious solution of collaboration between specialists from different disciplines. What of that?

[GjaP_]

Ben Goertzel
CEO, SingularityNet | Chairman, AGI Society
Source: Creative Destruction Lab

[LegHumanist]

The problem with American universities is that all students are encouraged to waste time with useless humanities courses.

They're not alone in allowing students access to courses across the university, though. I did my MSc in computer science in Ireland and was able to design the course myself. I took lectures from a variety of different masters-level courses, including Cognitive science, statistics and advanced software engineering, in addition to computer science.

[selenagarrett]

Mr. Goertzel, is the aim for your AGI programming recruits the same as the AGI recruiting aims of Geordie Rose? (Kindred - DWave, et.al)

[autonomous]

I find waving my hands around dramatically with no discernible meaning to be really calming...
Calming... Is that the right word? Maybe

[Asimovum]

No offense, but I have a really hard time taking him seriously