The Dark Side of Modern Forza

Update 2023/4/17:
We yet have to see how it turns out in action, but here are the supposed changes:

1. "cheating/hacking to gain an unfair advantage on the road with race results, credits, or XP" is bannable. Unclear if it includes glitches and exploits.

2. Only "Unapproved Modding" is now bannable, although i don't buy it since one of the community leader groups recently banned model replacements (ex. replacing forza aero), and "modifying game files" is still bannable in any way.

3. "Auction House automated scripts, stream-sniping, piracy, and more" are now bannable. Not sure how you "stream-snipe" in a racing game. You can snipe the lobby but you can't cause any harm without violating other rules.

4. "leaking unannounced content" is now against their code of conduct. Basically activating Rockstar mode

5. "Violators can experience initial warning messages, and suspension times ranging from 24 hours, to 1 month, to permanent account and console bans, all depending on the severity of the violation and the frequency at which you are collecting these violations"
Positive change. Bans used to be 7 days at minimum.

6. "These suspensions can be enacted to remove player access from specific features from the game like matchmaking or using the Auction House and will result depending on the type of violations"
Positive change. Some bans no longer lock you out of every feature.

7. Ban appeals are supposed to matter now. "We will always have a different moderator evaluate the appeal than the moderator who issued the suspension" although they started hiding employee nicknames in tickets. We yet have to see this in action along with other changes.

Overall these changes only make the bans not have as big of an impact anymore. Barely a step in the right direction

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0:00 Introduction
0:30 Forza Horizon 5 Release
2:12 Forza Motorsport
2:54 Going Deep
3:33 Bans
4:13 Bans: B.M.
5:36 Community Leaders: PTG
7:15 Forza Mods: forza-painter
8:47 Forza Mods: The Rest
10:18 Community Leaders: H5UK
11:11 Bans: Immunity
11:50 Competitive Forza Intro
12:13 Community Leaders: Team Wars
13:10 Forza Racing Championship & Tora
14:10 Competitive Forza: Horizon
14:29 Competitive Forza & Devs
15:19 Conclusion
15:50 Final Thoughts
Correction:
9:46 Take 2 Interactive logo was meant to be used

[mustuff]

You know the game is dying when you get banned for playing too much but the leader board is full of cheaters from day one.

[vldy]

FM:"You got a fancy paint in your car, get banned"
Assetto Corsa:"Come to my server, we race a T-Rex vs a plane and Salvatore Ganacci's shoe"

[piotrwojciechowski]

“Forza motorsport is being destroyed by the competition while horizon is dying by the lack of it” - wow couldn’t have said it better.

[JailbreakMoments]

As someone who is in the game design industry I very much appreciate the fact that you brought up our little freedom. We cop the blame by players across basically all games, but we are only doing as we are told. A lot of us want to make a polished game for release, but if it’s not in the project brief we are not allowed to do it.

[TommyNoBaka]

I was a tester for the then new FM7 and they said to leave as much feedback

I told them the menu music was too loud and obtrusive to the xperience of the game, the overly shaky pov driving and action cam was nauseating, and progression lacked substance. It didn't feel worthwhile to progress.

All of my game tests after were canceled with no reason. To this day, I still can't test games for MS because someone at Turn10 got offended of my criticism

[dp]

I like how much of the issues with the community rn is because of the constant "clean" image Playground games wants. When the devs care too much it makes it so hard to actually enjoy the game in its true potential. No wonder forza mods are created, the community its trying to make the game more enjoyable

[PoutineCrusader]

Forza devs: Tell you to play motorsport for serious racing
also Forza devs: Prohibit you from buying the entire series except for Horizon 5

[LestZA]

I particularly love how they willingly turn a blind eye to griefers and go straight for the people who stick up for themselves in online races. I got spite-reported by a griefer coz I put them in their place during a race, and surprise surprise, I got banned. They claim they did a "thorough investigation" and that they "reviewed my account activity and conduct" before issuing the ban, which is absolute bs because if they did they would've seen how I play online. Hialrious. They're Clearly lying about that. They didn't check sh*% and they don't care. Honestly Turn10 and PGGames deserve to be boycotted. Maybe then they'd take us seriously.

[sehajkaler]

I saw my drift score on the long mountain drift zone (was like 1.1M or something) got taken down, but I still see speed cameras at 500mph. 10/10 perfectly balanced game

[BiggieCMAN]

Ah yes this game, the game that banned me for buying a car on the auction house until the year 3043

[HandsomeHuber]

I've been a Forza Race Marshal a few years ago which meant we had direct access to the devs. (around 2017-19) I was there from the very beginning of the program and we were supposed to flag ramers, cheaters, people who make offensive stuff, you name it and directly bring them to the devs attention who banned them. In the time i was there i noticed that there were a few mods who could do "anything" . And i mean anything. It started of with their opinion being the gold standard. No matter what the topic was if you had a different opinion they would shut you down. And because they had really close ties to some of the devs, the devs usually backed them up. I say "devs" but in reality i mean 3-4 people in their community team. But things turned more serious over time when i noticed they targeted specific community members and had major gripes towards some people. It got so bad that harassment was covered up by them and of course some directly engaging in harassing behaviour towards targeted people. And some people in the T10 dev and community team knew of it. They knew exactly what was going on. But instead of shutting it down and removing the problem makers they covered it up and removed any mods who spoke out about it. Thats how i got removed. I was promised that i can return back in a time span of 3 month but i got ghosted and recieved ban on my user generated content in FH4.

[Περδικασ]

Forza accidentaly gave me the ultimate edition and one day i just logged on and had the car pass and all the car packs idek how.The best part is they still have not removed or fixed my glitch

[zerozero_]

I've been waiting for a video like this.

My account has been flagged in H4 and H5 at random times without any reason so it's basically banned. Got automated replies on Forza Support and later got banned on there as well because I kept asking for a better answer. So I went on the discord and asked why I got banned, and got banned on the Discord as well for speaking about me being banned.

Exactly what happened at 4:26

[SilvaaS]

More people need to see how corrupt the franchise is because the more of the player base knows about everything the more likely we are to see a change. Forza wants to keep there reputation as the E for everyone game and if they get known as the corrupt franchise I think they will need to sort out how they do stuff

[fortisch]

Everyone needs to see this. It doesn't even matter if the devs think they are right, as they do not communicate with their community. They all behave like old teamspeak mods.

[bleedszn]

dude this games player base is just a revolving door of new players who get bored in a couple days

[midnight_DRVR]

Forza Horizon 3 was such a great time the franchise. I miss the fun factor of that game, my greatest moments in multiplayer were on that game. Usually I'm trying to not be nostalgic but everything like the map, the servers and the career were so much better on that title in my opinion.

[mannofnope]

I'm surprised that there was no mention of NitroGlitter, who conducted a massive ban wave, following her banning Forza's biggest Youtubers, including AR12, DonJoewonSong and Shinyodd.

[XtremeGaming]

I was really surprised to see that the game was rated so high while it seemed like they didn't listen to what people actually wanted out of a game like this.

[Aheguuuh]

I wasn't aware of how bad it is. Since the community, audience and dev wise, is this bad, I'm going to stay away from it. Appreciate the information