Really Bad r/Legaladvice - Deleting Emails to Avoid Subpoena

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Can you really trust r/legaladvice? Maybe...

Ah, yes. Reddit. The land of rSlash. It is such a great place and such a terrible place. If you ever wondered if lawyers actually read r/legaladvice, the answer is yes. Whether it’s actually lawyers who are GIVING advice in r/legaladvice, I can’t confirm that.

Reminder: THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE. This is just a fun educational exercise in examining some arguments one might make faced with certain circumstances. I don’t know all of the facts here, and, as is clear in the video, many of the relevant facts are known to be missing.

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I get asked a lot about whether being a practicing attorney is like being a lawyer on TV. I love watching legal movies and courtroom dramas. It's one of the reasons I decided to become a lawyer. But sometimes they make me want to pull my hair out because they are ridiculous.

Today I'm taking a break from representing clients and teaching law students how to kick ass in law school to take on lawyers in the movies and on TV. While all legal movies and shows take dramatic license to make things more interesting (nobody wants to see hundreds of hours of brief writing), many of them have a grain of truth.

This is part of a continuing series of "Lawyer Reaction" videos. Got a legal movie or TV show you'd like me to critique? Let me know in the comments!

All clips used for fair use commentary, criticism, and educational purposes. See Hosseinzadeh v. Klein, 276 F.Supp.3d 34 (S.D.N.Y. 2017); Equals Three, LLC v. Jukin Media, Inc., 139 F. Supp. 3d 1094 (C.D. Cal. 2015).

Typical legal disclaimer from a lawyer (occupational hazard): This is not legal advice, nor can I give you legal advice. Sorry! Everything here is for informational purposes only and not for the purpose of providing legal advice. You should contact your attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular issue or problem. Nothing here should be construed to form an attorney client relationship. Also, some of the links in this post may be affiliate links, meaning, at no cost to you, I will earn a small commission if you click through and make a purchase. But if you click, it really helps me make more of these videos!

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If this does well, I'll do a video on tree law...

LegalEagle

"Stop doing illegal things."
Crime rate all over the world drops to 0%

RexusprimeIX

Rule 34 document request

Can’t say that’s one I’ve ever searched for

jjc

4:23 I am absolutely in TEARS that a request for documents is classified as "rule 34"

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"The only thing better than doing the right thing is having a paper trail of doing the right thing."
Fantastic.

zero

4:23 "Rule 34 Document Request"

Also know as 'Requesting the Sauce'

That is a procedure I am very familiar with.

jacobford

One day he's going to forget the disclaimer and accidentally become our lawyer.

MrWarptime

Anytime a boss gives you legally a questionable order, ask him to put it in writing. He’ll probably mumble something like “never mind, ” demonstrating that he (1) knows it’s illegal, and (2) was setting you up to take the blame. Time to get a new job, but quietly document the events while they’re fresh in your mind,

If he does put it in writing? Time to get a new job (but document events).

A professional always has to be ready to quit a job like this, so keep enough in an emergency fund to tide you over.

javaskull

If you spend enough time on Reddit, you begin to realize that a lot of people honestly have no idea what they are talking about. It done't matter how official their username sounds, how professional or long their post is, or what subreddit they post to, many people on reddit are just plan wrong.

I only started realizing this after I read a few comment/posts on a subject I actually knew a great deal about. There were so many inaccurate comments but they sounded so professional that if I hadn't known better I probably would have believed them. It was a pretty eye opening experience and know I am extremely critical of info I get from reddit. I'm carful never to take any of it as straight facts and will double check with a more reputable source if I really want to know.

The sad fact is, most people in real life don't know that much about an abundance of topics. Those are the same people using reddit and if I wound't trust a random stranger with educating me I should also not trust a random user online. And the tough part is, the people who are responding to and upvoting an ignorant comment are equally ignorant. It creates a positive feedback loop of ignorance that can make inaccurate statements seem accurate because of how many people (incorrectly) believe them.

Obi-Wan_Kenobi

Remember the most important legal advice: if approached by a mugger just say “no, ” it is illegal for them to take your belongings without your consent

itsyaboitavino

_"My supervisor has ordered me to kidnap and murder his ex-wife using molten cobalt and a pair of tongs. Should I quit my job?"_
Everyone: "YES!"
Lawyer: "Probably."

syntaxusdogmata

Always get everything in writing is just a good idea in general.
I work in IT, in a previous job we had a company laptop that we were told to quarantine because it may be needed for a dispute case. We kept that thing for over a year, until my boss said that it "obviously" wasn't needed any more and we could get rid of it. I told him we'd specifically being told to quarantine if until further notice by legal, so that unless I had it in writing, I wasn't wiping it. Queue a lot of back and forth (my direct boss wasn't trying to hide anything, just incompetent and didn't like his authority being challenged) and finally "do as you're told or you're fired."
So I sent him an email outlining what he'd asked me to do, that I wouldn't comply without a response acknowledging my objection and his explicit instruction to dispose of it despite my objection... and if he wasn't willing to do that we could discuss it with HR.
He responded, so I wiped and disposed of the laptop, 6 months later it was needed for the legal dispute, my boss immediately tried to throw me under the bus for it, I sent our legal department the email. He got fired, I didn't.

watermelonhelmet